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I've been trying to understand this for years now. Why are so many sportbike riders not willing to ride on the track?! Quite often, I hear people say that it's "too dangerous." It's a helluvalot safer than riding on the street! I just don't get it. I live in Phoenix and I see a TON of sportbikes on the public roads. However, at our trackdays, there aren't alot of people. What's with this strange fear of the racetrack?
 

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I don't think it's fear of the track. Track days are dang expensive. Between full leathers, track admission fees, plus if you wad your bike at the track than insurance won't pay - track days take a lot of cash.
 

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how much is a track day, I live in south florida and there is a track at moroso motorsports park. I have no idea how much it costs, aren't there just open days where anyone can just drive on the track for like $20 buck, kinda like a drag strip, which by the way is in the middle of the track. hell if it was only like $20 I'd go out every weekend:) . whats the real deal with these tracks?
 

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I don't think it's fear of the track. Track days are dang expensive. Between full leathers, track admission fees, plus if you wad your bike at the track than insurance won't pay - track days take a lot of cash.

Thats how I feel, plus it's hard if there isn't a track nearby and you have to prep. the bike and trailer it. I think the track would be GREAT if I could afford a track only bike...
 

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I fear for paying with my looks to get into track. It wont get me anywhere and I will get beat up for trying.
 

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I would love to go to a track, but there are none REALLY close, and I spend all of my money on the monthly payment.
 

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On must realize the ADDITIONAL costs ------

----- the LIMITED TIME one can get on the track & DISTANCE of the closest track.
Take the latter in mind & it is something like a full day's trip to get to the one in Alberta, Cdn., & the same to reach the other one in Seattle Wash.
Then how often are the tracks open for m/cist & I know darn well it is not EVERY week-end.
ADDITIONAL costs mean also a trailer to haul the bike there & back, proper gear acceptable at the track ----- all of this is quite expensive especially if one is still making payments on their bike. Not to mention what happens if the rider prangs it on the circuit & we are not taking in costs at the hospital & to the injued rider's Doc or specialist once one is back home!!!
 

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how much is a track day, I live in south florida and there is a track at moroso motorsports park. I have no idea how much it costs, aren't there just open days where anyone can just drive on the track for like $20 buck, kinda like a drag strip, which by the way is in the middle of the track. hell if it was only like $20 I'd go out every weekend:) . whats the real deal with these tracks?
Arroyo Seca in Demming, NM charges like $85 a day if you buy 10 days time at the beginning of the year. They charge more if you buy them 1 at a time. I think this place is on the cheap side of admission fees.
 

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There's a fairly new track in North Florida I've read about, but you have to sign up on a yearly basis and it's about 700 bucks for the cheapest package. As mentioned above there is then leathers to consider etc. I know some tracks rent everything, but that is just more money. I want to go to the track BAD, I'd really like to do a track school. But unfortunately, finances do not permit it at this time.
 

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I know that my problem is the price of leathers. After I saw the email about the SBW track day I really want to go but I still need at least leather pants to go with the jacket. If the leathers weren't so expensive I'd start going to the track.
 

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I know that my problem is the price of leathers. After I saw the email about the SBW track day I really want to go but I still need at least leather pants to go with the jacket. If the leathers weren't so expensive I'd start going to the track.

$350-$1000 for decent leathers expensive? How much did ya chuck into getting that full Akropovic ti race exhaust? No offence dude, but thats a real lame excuse. I hear that alot in town from some of the kids. But yet they have the $$ for accessories for the bike but dont even spend anything for gear of any sorts.
 

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Well, for some people it may be the distance to track, and it may be the price, or preperation. However, with some people its just them being pussy. You can go faster, legally, on a track. On the street you can be like "I heard cops run around here alot, and I dont want another ticket!". And to get on a track you have to be a decent rider(if you dont want to get bagged on), but on the street you can be shitty, and blame it on road conditions, or traffic, or the ignorance of cagers. A lot of people cant ride for shit, but they pose really well.
 

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For me its the Financial thing.
I have textile gear, and I think leathers would be better for the track. I also don't wanna trash my primary mode of transport. If I bin my bike, I can't see myself affording one for another 5 years or so.(Which would suck:crying:)
I'm also worried about pushing it too hard.... all that road, and no speed limits. It's like be locked in a room with a shotgun and a dozen politicians, without any laws to hold me back.
 

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Even in the old days when all bikes were 'skelton' form ------

---that goes back some yrs as even partial fairings were not thought of.
Still the road racing was just every once in a while of the year. Even then I had to have a street iron (later on a 500cc Manx Norton) modified to the limit for road racing ONLY. What one calls a 'track bike' now. Mind you I also had to have a flat tracker, & since I dirt hill climbed I needed a bike specialized in that form, but fortunately I had an owner that called on me to use his bike.
Still my Observed Trials bike was specialized, but since we did not require lights (in those days) I often used it to & from work. Mind you I had a hot trotting Scrambler (ANOTHER COST) now called MX that I could change into Enduro & with some work on it into a Cross Country bike.
Still look at all the money I had tied up in riding comp. At least in Trials, Enduro, MXing & CC I could practice almost anytime, but man the few practices & races in Road Raceing were so limited that it hurt.
I put my post up above about Costs, distances, avaliability, & did sort of lean on the MEDICAL end a bit (believe me I know what it is like to be injured when in comp) -- so I have a good idea of what I was talking about even if it was back in the late 40s to mid 80s & when I shifted down to basically Observed Trials (as I always had a back up Trials) & MX plus some CC work if a distributor supplied me with a bike for latter two which was often done & I did ride some strange bikes then.
 

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I think the medical costs could be seen as being even, and thus irrelevent. Sure, you ride on the edge at the track, but the big plus is that the conditions are predictable. If you push it hard on the street you have no control of the conditions.

Comparing riding JUST for transportation on the street to the track is not apples to apples, risk-wise. But riding for thrills on the street is AS risky, if not more so than road racing.

One thing I've found is that track-racing has reduced my desire to ride fast on the street a lot.... if not totally. :D

At the end it probably just boils down to personal taste. :)
 

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Track days are 'spensive. $195 plus getting all the gear for the first time if you don't have it already. Plus, curb monkeys don't tend to hang out at the track like they do on Mill Ave. ;)

Also, quite a few people view the track as more dangerous, due to increased speeds. I know they're wrong, you know they're wrong, but to convince them? Good luck!

I've done one track day so far, and street riding is SO not as much fun anymore. But I don't have the $$$ to do it every month, especially when my husband and I BOTH want to do it.
 

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Well, for some people it may be the distance to track, and it may be the price, or preperation. However, with some people its just them being pussy. You can go faster, legally, on a track. On the street you can be like "I heard cops run around here alot, and I dont want another ticket!". And to get on a track you have to be a decent rider(if you dont want to get bagged on), but on the street you can be shitty, and blame it on road conditions, or traffic, or the ignorance of cagers. A lot of people cant ride for shit, but they pose really well.
I second the "pussy factor". I also call "bullshit" on those who have a $8K+ bike with pipe/etc. that say they can't afford a suit- there is no difference in the need for protective gear between street and track. If you ride a motorcycle, you NEED armored pants and jacket that zip together or are 1 piece, and boots, gloves, and helmet. Bike prep is no different- I won't ride on the street on a bike that wouldn't pass a track day tech inspection (main thing being fresh tires). The only difference is replacing the coolant w/distilled water. So, if you have $1.00 for the H2O and $150 (or less) for a track day, get your ass out there!
 

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Why don't I go to the track?

Well, lemme see, 1000 bucks for everything but the helmet (yes, I have gear for the street, but I wouldn't trust it in a high speed crash.)

400 dollars for the mandatory training course, roughly 150 for a track day.

I don't have a trailer or truck to move it.

It devalues the bike to take it too a track (unless you replace all
the safety wired bolts before selling it and lie.)

It would have to be set up, with safety wires and light removal. The latter being the biggest one, since they would have to be re-installed the following Monday.

I only have one bike, and it is my only transportation, I don't even have a car licsence. Short of transit that is, which can take up to 8 times as long to get some of the places I go regularly. I can hardley afford to have a bent frame or something like that cause of an accident on the track where I don't ahve insurance.

There is a track day about once a year or so it seems here......
 

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400 dollars for the mandatory training course, roughly 150 for a track day.

What track requires that for just a track day?!
Why do they require you to safety wire your bolts? Usually that is reserved only for race bikes.

In AZ, they just require that out mirrors are taped as well as all plastic lenses. (headlights, turn signals.) And that we don't run coolant. (I use water wetter.) Also, good tires, no leaks, etc...

Leathers are expensive if you just MUST have the latest and greatest. Sure, a spankin new Alpinestars suit will set you back quite a bit. My first few sets of leathers were bought used for approx. $300. And they weren't crap either. If you're interested, I'll sell you some black Yoshimura leathers after Laguna. They've got a crash or two on them, but they're still very track worthy. (no burn-throughs. Not even close!)All you'll need are some knee-pucks. But they aren't as "pretty" as shiney new Alpinestars, etc. I just bought some new Joe Rockets for $500.00. (It helps to have friends in the bussiness.)
 

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speed said:
I know that my problem is the price of leathers. After I saw the email about the SBW track day I really want to go but I still need at least leather pants to go with the jacket. If the leathers weren't so expensive I'd start going to the track.
Give me a call (no later than 9pm please) I may have a set of pants you can borrow.

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