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Common theme. Ask for advice on a stunt and get a million responces saying that you need how to ride first. Most of the time I agree.
So here it is, i've been riding for about 2 years, a sport bike for the last year. The whole time I didnt own a car, so i rode throu rain, snow, and anything else nature felt like throwing my way.
now with summer creeping up I am starting to get the itch to polish my wheelie skills, and if that goes well maybe work on getting some stoppies going (dont ask me why, but stoppies actually scare me less).
So what do you think, am I ready, or am I ready to get my self killed?
 

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Wanna know the answer? Go to an empty industrial park and practice! I'm not kidding: you will know if you are ready or not.

Yeah, it's going to scare the shit out of you at first, but try and get used to it. I would try stoppies first because of the laws of physics. You're trying to go slower when doing a stoppie. Imagine being in the middle of a wheelie and freaking out: your focus is on the throttle.....bad news.

Another little know secret is to find a new development that is being built. Go there once the workers have left. It's best when they have just put up the lot markings and haven't started construction. New subdivision in early phase = freshly paved roads and no traffic = awesome stunt practice. :thumb: :D
 

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Wanna know the answer? Go to an empty industrial park and practice! I'm not kidding: you will know if you are ready or not.

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What he said. Asking that is like asking wether or not you`re ready for a bigger bike, no one knows but you. Do you feel comfertable on the bike 110% of the time? Do you know how it responds to EVERY little thing? Are you fine with the fact that you can, and probly will wreck eventually? If you answered yes, then find a nice empty, straight road, and practice, if not, wait. If you`re gonna practice stoppies, make sure the road has NO dirt, dust, gravel, whatever on it. Oh yeah, and just remember, stunting IS illegal, like it or not, and even if you`re in a big empty parking lot, you can still get in trouble.
 

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Thanx for the input guys. I live in a small texas towns so we are kind of short on big parking lots, or other sport bikes, but we do have plenty of long streight back roads. they arent as good, as there are often spots with gravel (especially that really light kind that you cannot see).

As for being comfortable on the bike, welp i am most of the time. There are still corners that scare me, especially ones that are wet or have some gravel on them, or ones with elevation changes when i havent been on them before. I am sure you guys know what i am talking about, get in a corner, good lean angle, nice balance, then it tightens up on you abit, and you get scared and back of the throttle, throw the balance all to hell, and think to yourself, i could have just leaned farther...
I started working on power wheelies, as i am told they are abit easier on my bike. I can get the front to come up every 3rd try or so, but it ussually scares me when it comes up, so i drop it back down instead of shifting. All that in first, I cant get it to do anything in second, even thou i would feel much better about it then.
Not having much luck with stoppies, i've been taking it to about 40-50 preload the front brake untill i feel the weight transfer then gradually press harder and harder. sometimes i can feel the back getting really light, like its lifting off but just barely, but ussually the fron tire just locks up and i am forced to ease off the brake or surf some asphalt. The thing that scares me with stoppies is that there is no rear brake to save my ass.
None of this is made easier by having a somewhat longer wheelbase bike (03' kaw z1000), While i know its capable of doing most of the common tricks, I am told it doesnt ballance as well as say a gixxer, and takes abit more to bring it up. But I know that others have done it and so can I.
Speaking of bike, what sort of protection do i need to get for it? I just got it the way i like it (read: lots of carbon) and would like to minimize the damage for when i mess up. I hope that shoei, teknic and joe rocket have got what it takes to keep me together, but the bike doesnt even have sliders on it right now. I would really like to get a crash cage for it, but cant find one to fit it. Frame sliders just dont seem like they would do enough, i mean they might save the engine part, but will do nothing for the front cowl or the tail.
Any advice?
 

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Damn, that is a heavy bike to be doing stoppies on. Oh well. Balls to the wall. :D Good luck, and let us know what happens. Power wheelies are a good way to get started, you are on the right track. You'll know when you are comfortable enough to start pulling stuff off. Just trust yourself, and don't let yourself fall prey to peer pressure!
 

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I wish I had more peer pressure. Its to easy to say "oh well it didnt work, maybe next time" when you are by yourself. If someone is watching me, i would feel obligated to at least try harder.
As for the bike being heavy, well you guys are right. When I bought it I had no intention of doing anything other then maybe a wheelie. But since then I got alott more comfortable, and i think stunts are alott safer, then riding racing style in the streets. Seems cool if you never done it, but once I did, it made me realize just how stupid that was.
 

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my advice, go watch as many crash vids as you can (you'll see what NOT TO DO)

there's well over 100 vids of guys dumping bikes doin stoppies and wheelies

after i watched enough of those, i had no motivation to even try to do that stuff...

of course, if you have a bike that you love to drop and have money sittin in your bank account that you want to use on repairs AND you aren't worried about road rash or havin the bike land on you, more power to you

i think being able to do them is a good SKILL to have, but to do that shit to be kewl is pretty immature IMO:2cents:
 

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so i spent most of last night looking a gruesome vids of people wrecking their toys. ouch. make it a double ouch.
here are my thoughts. yes stunting is dangerous, also i still dont believe its as dangerous as sharing the road with some cell phone yapping grannies. there is a certain lever of risk i am willing to accept, otherwise i would not be on a bike in the first place.
but the point of caution is a good one. the guys who stunt their bikes in shorts and a t-shirt are either stupid, or very very good.
(personally i think the ones that are very good, are also abit stupid). So safety gear is a must. As i dont have mad cash sitting in the bank, same goes for frame sliders, and a crashcage if i can find one.
As for my reasons for doing it, i dont think its the coolness factor. I love the idea of being able to do anything i felt like with my bike without having to think about how i do it. Kind of like when you first start getting serious leans, at the begining you have to think about what every part of your body is doing, wether you should pull on one bar, or push on the other, how much pressure you should put on the peg, making sure your knee is applying pressure to the tank, and so on and so forth. but after some practice you just see a turn, smile, and turn. Thats the way i want to feel about everything that can be done on a bike. I understand that not only does that take time, but i will probly never achieve that state.
oh, i am not trying to tell you that i am not going to try and impress cuties, i'm just saying that my reasoning for wanting to learn is different.
enough of all the blah, i need to figure out how i can get out of work for a few hours and go practice
 

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Sounds like your on your way and have a good mindset. I might mention that if you do find any new pavement watch yourself because it is slick, I personally would not recomend trying stoppies on new pavement as your tire will have a good chance of locking up, especially with a heavier bike. Even clutching wheelies on new pavement can cause some slippage wich can be scary at first. Deffinately get some sliders as you will use them and they work pretty good for low speed set downs wich are a deffinate once you start progressing a little on stoppies and one you didnt mention which are burnouts, tires are expensive but man they are fun. If your front tire is locking up then you may be grabbing the brake to quick, or agressively. Just apply a little pressure to compress forks and then continue to smoooooothly apply pressure, to quick=lockup//to slow=no stoppie.. Practice and you'll find the medium. I would also recomend a steering stabilizer as they are supposed to make a huge difference when setting down wheelies, I personally dont have one yet and have survived but I plan on getting on as soon as I get an engine put in my bike. Like everyone else will tell you Practice is the answer to all of your questions, everything else is just a sugestion, keep it safe and happy stunting!!!!!!!
 

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One thing I may mention is dont worry or get discouraged by the comments about your bike being heavy, people were stunting bikes when they weighed more than yours so get comfy on your bike and have a ball, it can handle the stunts if you can!!!!
 

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Thanx for the encouregment. I am on my way to getting new sprockets (1down front 2up rear), and sliders. Being a college student on a budget i think a steering stabilizer is well out of my range. I have landed a few crooket wheelies at around 30-50mph and aside from the initial sudden jerk as the front streightened up everything always went just fine. abit scary in retrospect, but no big deal.
As for wheelies, I can get the front up by snapping the throttle in first (also it ussually takes 2 or 3 tries), but first scares me as it is the gear most likely to flip me right over. I would much rather do something like that in second, but i cant for the life of me get anymore then 6 inches out of the front wheel. I dont really consider anything less then 30 degree a wheelie. Maybe i am not snapping the throttle enough, but after the whole "be smooth on the inputs" being hammered into my head its hard to command my hand to just snap.
As for burnouts, while they look cool, i think they are a waste of rubber. Someone quoted as saying a burnout costs about $25 in tire damage. Sorry thats just not for me.
As for stoppies.... hey wait a second why am i starting every paragraph with "as for"... anyway I guess i cant get the proper brake pressure figured out. i can feel the rear come up about an inch under hard braking but never any more then that. The front locking up is defently scary, as i cant seem to keep the wheel streight when that happens, it always tries to slide from under me, and if i ever not let go of the brake.... It may be that i wait to long to apply enough pressure and i am going too slow. what is a good speed for a stoppie? before the brake application all together, and what speed do you ussually start to apply full brake at?

thanx for all the help. If i stay determined i think i can get the iron cross down before the end of the season. thats my modest goal.
 

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Sprockets will help you with the wheelies, but that probably has a lot to do with your subconcious puting your weight forward even when you think your trying to wheelie, your fighting it, it took me a while to get over that, but once I did I was amazed at how easy it will actually come up. Once you learn throttle control you can do rolling burnouts and, keep the tire just barely spinning, it makes your back end loose but doesnt smoke much or really burn much rubber, but I hear you on not wanting to waste it. as for stoppies I personally learned the way that I may not recomend, which is to go about 10mph and just grazb full brake, then 15mph grab full brake and so on, problem with this is theres a good chance of locking up on going over once you get up toward 20mph, of course speeds will differ from bike to bike/ rider to rider. I would recomend starting at about 30mph and working your way up. I really dont think about loading the springs like its a separate input from the rest, its hard to explain but I just go by the feeling of the bike. Practice sptopping at max efficiancy and then just keep adding a little more pressure sooner and itshould come up. What kind of tires are you running and whats the air pressure, this may be whats holing you back. If your staying with what the pressure is when you got it it may be at or oabve 32psi, take it down to about 25 and see how that treats you.
 

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stoppies

grabin "full" brake is a mistake..u preload the forks then apply front brake in a progressive manner. make sure ur tires are warm also. stoppies are nuttin mor ethen very hard braking (rolling stoppies)
 

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The front is a battleaxe 010 at 32psi.
The back is getting Avon T46 tomoroow, the Battleaxe is done for.

The front is looking kinda worn as well, but i think that becouse it didnt have that much tread on it when it was new.

All the suspension settings are at stock. I cant seem to understand exactly how each setting will affect the bike (I seem to understand the theory fine, but not how it applies to everything else) I am about avg size (5'10", 165lbs), So i am hoping the settings will be ok, Untill i can find someone that can help me tune it in.
 

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well i have read both of these pages of you guys yaping and it sounds like there are alot of riders in here who know what the hell they are doing, and to the guy asking all the questions, i have had a sportbike since i was 14 my dad was a racer so he got me into it early age im 18 now so ive been riding for 4 yrs and i still cant do a full out stoppie but i do pull the rear up pretty far it is the holding it problem i have, and the deal about the wheelies they are much smoother at a steady speed i try to wheelie at about 60 to 70 at least with my bike ( a ninja 750) and a yzf R1 i ride my R1 now but the ninja is like new and its great for the faster wheelies because i think it weighs more than my R1 but i do know that the R1 will torque out and try to jump out from under me when i pull the front up at about50 and even at faster speeds it does it up 2 about 100 and the r1 is awsome for the stoppies, and i like it that the pipes ar under the seat like ducatis are but heres my question and it would be nice for some advice not a smart ass making a bullshit remark and trying to be funny so can some one help?

here it is " i have 2 bikes and on both bikes i can do alot and i have pretty good skills but i cant get up on the tank for tank wheelies i cant seem to get my balls past the hump in the tank where u go from seat to tank my pants get hung on the hump and i loose my balance and have to set it down or loose it and crash, which i di d wreck twice i just got my cast off a broken arm from fallin at about 30 from a tank wheelie but any way i need help how can i pull it off? thanx alot guys or girls who ever can help and one more small question about looks " would spinner rims look good on a bike"?
 

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Are you talking about highchair, or just tank whelie for iron cross or something. I would recomend getting on the tank before yu start wheelie by hopping up then doing wheelie, or are you trying combos? It sounds like at about the same point as you with the tank wheelies, ive yet to go from pegs to tank while wheeling. The idea is one smooth hop but easier said than done right!!!
 
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