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Hello, I have a GSXR1000K4 and would like to learn how to wheelie it properly. My wheelie history comprises of some clutched up 1st gear wheelies on a ZX7R, power wheelies on TL1000S, power wheelies on CBR900RRX. All of these were straight up, then straight back down. I've never attempted to ride any of them as I usually sh*t my pants. I ride quickly on the road, and the route I ride often has the wheel jumping up at well over 100mph (whole bike jumps at about 120mph in one spot) and this doesn't bother me. But if I try intentionally to lift the wheel at <40mph I get a massive adrenalin rush (and adrenalin IS brown I believe....) and put it down. What's happening?

How can I start to learn on this bike, clutch in second? Also how long will my clutch last whilst practicing this?

Thanks for any info.
 

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Clutch it in first, at 20-40. Find some safe place to do it, and just keep practicing. Everyone drops them down at first, but before long, you'll get used to what it feels like having the front in the air and wont freak out when it happens.
The reason I say first, is because the speed is lower, so should you mess up it wont hurt nearly as bad.

Remember the rear brake.
 

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You definitely do not need to clutch that bike up in first gear. Just keep it at 1/4 throttle until about 4,000 ~ 5,000 RPMs and wack it all the way open. The front end will come right up.
 

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chris_y2k_r1 said:
You definitely do not need to clutch that bike up in first gear. Just keep it at 1/4 throttle until about 4,000 ~ 5,000 RPMs and wack it all the way open. The front end will come right up.
With all due respect, I disagree. While the bike will come up just fine off the throttle, a wheelie is much easier to control with the clutch. Might as well learn to do it right, rather then try to switch later.
 

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The front end is going to come up a lot faster clutching it, he needs to start up smooth. Not violent clutching. To each his own brother, I do both but by far on a 1k if you are learning (Not try to 12 it), power wheelies are definitely smoother on the rise than clutching, it's totally not needed on any bike 600ccs and up.
 

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I always got the exact opposite impression. Powering it depended too much on what rpm I was in, and my biggest fear has always been when the sudden acceleration pulls me back stretching my throttle arm. One time I found I could not close the throttle. Never happened with the clutch. But like you said, to each his own.
 

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Thanks fellas,
There are a few places on the course where the front always lifts accelerating in 1st gear. I might try to keep it up a bit longer each time, and also try some clutch work on a nice flat back road that I know. My biggest problem is that I instinctively hunch forward whenever the wheel lifts. I don't think the machine control will be much of a problem, it's just overriding my natural reactions which is the difficult part!
 

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JimmyMcIOM said:
Thanks fellas,
There are a few places on the course where the front always lifts accelerating in 1st gear. I might try to keep it up a bit longer each time, and also try some clutch work on a nice flat back road that I know. My biggest problem is that I instinctively hunch forward whenever the wheel lifts. I don't think the machine control will be much of a problem, it's just overriding my natural reactions which is the difficult part!
That comes with practice.
 

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JimmyMcIOM said:
Thanks fellas,
There are a few places on the course where the front always lifts accelerating in 1st gear. I might try to keep it up a bit longer each time, and also try some clutch work on a nice flat back road that I know. My biggest problem is that I instinctively hunch forward whenever the wheel lifts. I don't think the machine control will be much of a problem, it's just overriding my natural reactions which is the difficult part!
Practice bro, untill you get used to it. then you can better control your instincts.
 

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i have a k4, it wheelies in 3rd with no problem,, just roll on to the throttle in first and it will come right up.. forget the clutch.. much more controlled learning throttle control.. then the technique of standups and 2nds is no problem.. ur really really nuts trying to clutch 1st..

u dont have to hit the balance point in 1st to keep the wheel up.. just slowly keep rolling on the throttle and ull ride it out..

once u get conformtable then try hitting the balance point in 2nd.. its too twitchy in 1st for keeping the balance point.. take little steps at a time and become comfortable.. wear ur gear!
 

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docta_freeze said:
i have a k4, it wheelies in 3rd with no problem,, just roll on to the throttle in first and it will come right up.. forget the clutch.. much more controlled learning throttle control.. then the technique of standups and 2nds is no problem.. ur really really nuts trying to clutch 1st..

u dont have to hit the balance point in 1st to keep the wheel up.. just slowly keep rolling on the throttle and ull ride it out..

once u get conformtable then try hitting the balance point in 2nd.. its too twitchy in 1st for keeping the balance point.. take little steps at a time and become comfortable.. wear ur gear!
Exactly what I was trying to get at. 2nd gear is much more forgiving when it comes to over throttling the wheelie. 1st is extremely twitchy, especially on the R1. Too much throttle and not enough slipping the clutch and you'll be picking your 1K out of a tree.
 

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Ok, new developments. My mate has offered to lend me a 450 enduro of some sort to practice on before I try it on my Gixer. Is this a good idea? Will I be able to transfer what (if) I learn onto my bike?
 

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JimmyMcIOM said:
Ok, new developments. My mate has offered to lend me a 450 enduro of some sort to practice on before I try it on my Gixer. Is this a good idea? Will I be able to transfer what (if) I learn onto my bike?
Hell yes thats a good idea. The balance different, power bands are different, but yes you will be able to transfer the skills.
 

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I think it's important to lear both ways to wheelie. My reasoning is the more you get comfortable lifting the front wheel in the air the better. Clutching up is great if you already have a feel for riding on one wheel and know about the feel fo the balance point. If your totally new I would recommend powering up little by little till you feel comfortable with the wheel up in the air then I would suggest clutching up to bp and riding it. Just my opinion some may disagree but it worked for me. Also remember never start/practice wheelies without covering the rear break. It's most important to start with good habbits. Covering the rear break works well. Also once you get used to using it you can really do some trick wheelies....

I know stunt riders that ride the rear break a little bit and will keep consistant throttle thru the wheelie and just use the break to bring it down if it gets too high and vise versa if it gets low let up on the break a bit.
 

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chris_y2k_r1 said:
You definitely do not need to clutch that bike up in first gear. Just keep it at 1/4 throttle until about 4,000 ~ 5,000 RPMs and wack it all the way open. The front end will come right up.
Do you think it is a good idea wacking the throttle wide open in first on a gixxer 1000? Serious question. I would never consider it in my lifetime.
 

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if you have never pulled a wheelie before if you crack it wide open on a 1k, I will gurantee that the rider will let off and slam the front down.. (if they catch it before they pass bp)
 

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mainerdr said:
if you have never pulled a wheelie before if you crack it wide open on a 1k, I will gurantee that the rider will let off and slam the front down.. (if they catch it before they pass bp)
And that's the best case scenario by far..
 

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I've done it a million times, just because you are a WOT for a second doesn't mean you have to loop, I personally like to throw the front end right up to the BP ASAP w/o the clutch, then click the gears.
 
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