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So I'll start with the question. When someone turns in front of you, cuts you off or some other method of trying to cut your trip short what do you do?

I know I just had this happen today with an old bag in a big old town car. Since the freeway by work is closed there is a huge line waiting for this stop sign on the 2 lane road so I was cruising along when I come up to the line. I had seen it once in the car where someone just appeared out of the cars and nearly took me out. So being a smart rider I had slowed down to a crawl and saw a car coming out of a little dirt section off to the left. I didn't see an opening in the cars but I soon as I was close to the cars the one pulls up and this car comes screaming in front of me. After she was nearly hit by the cars coming the other way she almost kills me and then damn near stops in the road. I was on the brakes as hard as I could and missed her by only a couple of feet. I was debating on what to do and decided to follow, I am revving the engine and honking at her and she is just crusing at 10 or 15 through this subdivision. I see that she is like 70 or 80 grey haired bitch. Then she pulls over and I pass and stop in the road as she drives by me again. The next time she pulled over I got as close as I could to the car and knocked on the window but she didn't move. I proceeded to open my visor and get up close to the window and yell "You crazy old bag you almost killed me and the guy coming the other way, what the hell are you doing. Are you f***ing blind you old bitch, learn how to drive" She then looked over at me scared as hell. I rode off

I just want to be able to plan for next time...
 

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Just a simple salute!

I hear ya man, I hate being cut off.
Depending on how close there were to taking me out affects how much anger is in my response.
Most of the time i flash my Bright White Bulbs to high in each of their mirrors and some horn action. Then as i pass them i give them the one finger salute:finger:
 

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I got cut off too.

I was driving down a back road with no one in site. I then came up to a road that had a car that was waiting to turn left. I saw them roll forward then look at me and stopped then started to roll backwards. I thoght I was in the clear so I kept on cruising. As I got about 40 feet from them and all the sudden they go for it. I grabbed a fist full of brakes(foot to) ;) and came to a almost dead stop.Thank god my bike breaks better then cages cause I probley would have plowed them:eek: any ways I told them they were #1:finger: and shook my head thinking f*cking idiots. If cagers would pull there heads outa there aces be would all benifit from it. Ride safe and remember your brakes are your friends:D
 

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A small handful of ball bearings are even cheaper than nickels if the situation (read they deliberately try to kill you) warrants an extreme response. For the simple minded asses who are just to stupid to look around while driving I usually settle for the classic:finger: or maybe tweak their mirror in order to remind them it's there for a reason when I pull up next to them.
 

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Well, at the risk of sounding like the voice of reason ( which has no place in a sportbike world anyway) I'd guess that many of the close encounters of the car kind have more to do with the lamebrain aspect of car drivers than any true intent to kill us. When someone pulls a move that means I have to get on the brakes hard I like to lock up the rear at some point to cause a loud-ass tire squeal to wake them up and it usually scares the shit out of them for fear that some car or truck is about to cream them. The trouble with trying to get at them by throwing things or cursing or damage to their car is that even if you're riding a Boss Hoss V8 bike and they are in a Yugo, They can still kill us NO PROBLEM! You never know what wacko is behind the wheel. If you really think they were trying to kill a motorcyclist the only answer is to hunt them down and kill them in a safer way for you. Figure out where they live and take it from there. But if it was just some moron move, learn from it and move on. You may miss the next threat to your life by being worked up over the incident.But as always, ride fast-take chances.
 

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I play in traffic every day on the bike, and you do see some stupid sh*t going on, but it's not always the car drivers fault.

Don't worry about bikes, car drivers don't cut each other any slack either. On the occassions I do drive the freeway, if I want to change lanes and do the mirror check, indicate, head check thing, and I see it clear, then it's my lane to move into. If a bike appears out of nowhere flying into the same spot as me...then bad luck I am still going. You need to understand no matter how pissed off you feel, I am still taking that spot. Period. Might not get another chance before my offramp.

Forget about that duty of care to your neighbour crap...it's not my responsibility to save your life...it's yours.

:)

ps: I can't wait to read the post...I was riding home and dropped it on these ball bearings that some d*ckhead dropped on the freeway........
 

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I always carry a few oil drain plug bolts, pull in front and toss it over your shoulder. Paybacks are a bitch:finger:
 

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Well, I try to look at it this way...every cager out there is out to kill me. It's my job to keep them from it. If they try and don't succeed, then I won. I just show them thier IQ:finger: in a little victory salute and go on and enjoy the rest of my ride. There have been times when I was tempted to go much further with retaliation, and once when I followed one to a parking space that she was literally racing across the parking lot for (when she nearly tagged me) and parked behind her, got off the bike and beat the shit out her her car while cursing her for everything I was worth at the top of my lungs. When I realized about 10 or 12 people were gathering around to see what the hell was going on and she was absolutely terrified and sobbing to the point she couldn't even talk, I figured she had enough and I left. I think she will watch for motorcycles now.
 

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Larry Kahn said:
Well, at the risk of sounding like the voice of reason (which has no place in a sportbike world anyway) I'd guess that many of the close encounters of the car kind have more to do with the lamebrain aspect of car drivers than any true intent to kill us.
I agree. Just relax and move on. You'll encounter many more brain-dead cagers, some worse than this one.

After a decade or two, the unexpected becomes the expected, and the desire for retaliation wanes. The only times I get pissed off anymore are those when, due to inattention, a predictable move catches me by surprise. When analyzing my feelings at a time like that, I usually discover that I'm pissed off at myself for failing to scan thoroughly or to predict the potential brain-dead maneuver.
 

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so did you get some digits? :D :D :D

After making it through a close call.. pull over.. check shorts.. take deep breathes.. and be ready for the next one.
 

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Q: What do I do when a cager tries to kill me?

A: Leave the area, briskly.


I've come to the conclusion that attempts to verbally educate him at close range could get me run over or shot by a panicky motorist who probably was so absorbed in the latest 'N Sync CD or some Howard Boortzbaugh radio show that they didn't see the motorcyclist in the first place and are now "being attacked by a deranged biker".

Just leave; avoidance is always the best policy, and the thing a sportbike is best equipped for. If I try to joust with an Explorer for space in a lane, I just wind up a hood ornament.

Some old bit of doggerel that sticks in my head:
"Here lies the body of old Bob J.
Who died maintaining his right-of-way.
He was right, dead right as he sped along;
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong." ;)
 

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Am I the only one who was a little scared by a couple of these posts? I am all for some honking and :finger: , but it seems to me that once you start terrorizing old ladies and beating on people's cars you mighta gone to far.
 

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titomike said:
I play in traffic every day on the bike, and you do see some stupid sh*t going on, but it's not always the car drivers fault.

Don't worry about bikes, car drivers don't cut each other any slack either. On the occassions I do drive the freeway, if I want to change lanes and do the mirror check, indicate, head check thing, and I see it clear, then it's my lane to move into. If a bike appears out of nowhere flying into the same spot as me...then bad luck I am still going. You need to understand no matter how pissed off you feel, I am still taking that spot. Period. Might not get another chance before my offramp.

Forget about that duty of care to your neighbour crap...it's not my responsibility to save your life...it's yours.

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ps: I can't wait to read the post...I was riding home and dropped it on these ball bearings that some d*ckhead dropped on the freeway........
Yeah that would be me, shortly after some other d*ckhead took away my lane because he couldn't wait for the next off ramp & caused me to spill out the contents of my pocket which included a handful of nickels, drain plugs, ball bearings & the extra rounds for my buddies Smith & Wesson (who are still looking for that guy:mad: )
I feel just awful if some "innocent biker" was caught in the crossfire but of course as a wise man once said "it's not my responsibility to save your life...it's yours" words to live & maybe die by:twofinger
 

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Wally said:
Am I the only one who was a little scared by a couple of these posts? I am all for some honking and :finger: , but it seems to me that once you start terrorizing old ladies and beating on people's cars you mighta gone to far.
I'm with you Wally, unless there is an obvious and deliberate attempt to hit me/run me off the road/etc, I think the best response is to salute :finger: and move on. Usually the motorist really did not see us, and all they will remember (and tell their friends/lawyer) is about the psycho biker that tried to kill them. Oh, also if possible, I agree that locking the rear (if it will squeal, mine usually won't) is an excellent way to alert someone that they just pulled out in front of you. I've done that before in my car when some kids ran out in front of me, I had enough time to stop, but locked them anyways just to scare them and (hopefully) keep them from doing it again.
 

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bionic man said:
I always carry a few oil drain plug bolts, pull in front and toss it over your shoulder. Paybacks are a bitch:finger:
I have the cast iron exhaust manifolds off my Chevy Big Block (I got headers on it now) from my truck, I wonder if I could strap one on the pillion and throw it over my shoulder? They are big, and real heavy....still have studs sticking out about three inches on the outlets.....probably not....

Seriously, losing my temper is the easiest thing to do, and it takes the least amount of work to do it. So I try real hard to let it go and if possible, try to forgive the person right away. Sometimes it is hard, when I am scared out of my pants and they have done a real bonehead thing, but I have to try. Getting mad never solves a crisis, it only makes things worse.

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Revenge requires digging 2 graves

When my dad (who used to ride ) found out I was going to start riding a few years back he said: :'Son..the best way to stay safe in traffic is to pretend like everybody in a car has been summoned to asassinate you.." In other words, expect people to cut you off for whatever reason whether they simply didn't see you or just drive like a moron.

When I get cut off I always ride by the person and point two fingers at my eyes. I used to be very hostile towards other motorists and have used the ball bearing approach as another member mentioned. But as I get a little older I just try to look out and expect cagers to drive like retards. Anticipation is any cyclists best asset. And nowadays with all these sick bastards on the road, you don't know who's packing, and who really hasn't got all their Corn Flakes in one box. So by flipping people off and damaging their car by throwing objects at them doesn't seem like the best approach. If you do get some disgruntled fruitcake on the road, you may hit hell's jackpot with their temper and get yourself shot or run over.

I'm not any less angry than anybody else when I have to practically throw myself over the bars with the brakes to avoid some idiot. But I'd rather be rattled and just ride home safe as opposed to retalliating. I realize that seems soft to some people, but at least you know where you stand.....

Later everybody.......take care :)
 

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Re: Revenge requires digging 2 graves

gsx-in the city said:
And nowadays with all these sick bastards on the road, you don't know who's packing, and who really hasn't got all their Corn Flakes in one box. So by flipping people off and damaging their car by throwing objects at them doesn't seem like the best approach. If you do get some disgruntled fruitcake on the road, you may hit hell's jackpot with their temper and get yourself shot or run over.

I'm not any less angry than anybody else when I have to practically throw myself over the bars with the brakes to avoid some idiot. But I'd rather be rattled and just ride home safe as opposed to retalliating. I realize that seems soft to some people, but at least you know where you stand.....

Later everybody.......take care :)
Amen, brother!:cool:
 

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Criminy...remind me not to ride with some folks in here!

I'm jest a wonderin' if some of you folks don't seem to have any more control over your emotions than posts indicate...should you really be riding a motorcycle? I'm assuming you realize there are extra risks involved with riding a bike? If not, mebbe you better take a big step back, and look at your hobby again! Doesn't mean they have a right to run you down...after all, if they kill ya, they'll probably get a failure to yield right of way ticket! (you are a member of the AMA, aren't you?)
How many of those folks are really trying to "kill" you, and how many are just brain dead, etc? If they're really trying to kill you, you wanna escalate the situation while they're sitting in a few tons of metal? As the old saying goes, you may have the right of way, but they have the weight of way.

When a brain dead cager pulls something on me, usually the only reaction they get from me is a small salute (not the 1-finger style) or tapping my head (THINK!) as I go by 'em. If they did it on purpose, why escalate? If they did it accidentally, they're probably gonna be feelin' a bit sheepish once they realize their mistake, so why antagonize 'em with a single digit salute? I know of at least one case where a biker got into a confrontation with a trucker, and it escalated to the point that the trucker was tailgateing him, only to run him over (accidentally) as he tried to make a quick turn.
On a related note, I never use my horn except to warn joggers 'bout to step in front of me. It's been my experience that when someone does something to warrant a toot on ye olde horn, if you do, the next thing they usually do is jam on the brakes (most brain dead cagers' natural reaction). Now they've compounded the situation...so I usually just try to slip through traffic with no muss, no fuss.

Les be careful out there folks-and get your emotions under control, will ya? After all, after someone else has done a dandy job of antagonizing a cager and left the scene, you may be the next motorcyclist to wander by fat, dumb, and happy, only to have 'em ambush you by taking their rage out on you!
 

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I understand everyone saying to be careful. This is the first time that I have every followed someone after an incident, mainly because it was the stupidest thing I had ever seen.

I too am really surprised at the ball bearings, oil drain plugs, etc. that people use, I don't think I would ever take it that far...The worst I was thinking about was the old kick in the door which might have been nice, but she was an old lady...
 
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