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Hi,
I'm an expat in Singapore and after four years I get transfered to England. I like to take my bike with me. Does someone has informations what paperwork needs to be done and how much i need to spend to register the bike in the UK?
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Hi

First impression and from what i've heard>>>unless it's something really special it's not worth it. If you take into account
de-registering here, packing, local handling, shipping, shipping insurance, local handling in UK, Customs duty,VAT, Road tax, MOT testing.

Best i could find is here DIRECT GOV UK

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thanks,
will have a look. I hope I don't have to worry about the shipping and handling since the company is paying for the transfer..
let's see
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I will be in the same situation as you later on this year so I'm interested in your findings.

I thought you were allowed to bring a vehicle without paying duties, vat, etc. if you are moving home to the UK. The web-site does not give much information regarding this.
 

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Ah

I remember in Holland and Germany that if you wanted to bring the bike back as part of your belongings it had to be registered to you for at least 24 months in the country of origin or something like that.
You'll always have to pay the tax. The duties can be lost if you're careful but the tax man will have you.
As far as i know there's a reduction system.
You have to pay the tax according to what the tax on that make and model was at the time it was sold in the country you move to!
This amount is then reduced by 10 % for every year old it is.
( It's because of this rule that importing old sports cars back into Europe became so cheap...10 years old = no tax)

If your company is paying for it... fine...but make sure the shipping insurance is correct as often the packers will blame damage on the shippers and vice versa.

I'm still sticking with "sell it here and buy a new one back home" theory.

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Nah - don't do it

Having shipped the 996 from Singapore to Australia, The only advice I would give you is sell it there and buy another when you get to the UK as BP says.

Trust me - even with the company shipping it - It ain't worth it. Way too much in the way of hassle.

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That said...

Actually YP, yu are correct - yu can take a bike to the UK without paying duties if you are permanently moving there or are a returning UK resident. Not sure about if you are entering the UK for the first time for example. You do have to have owned the bike for more than a year tho, that is a cert.

That said, I still wouldn't bother. They say no duties, but I'm sure that as with Aus, there are many hidden charges. There would be no customs duty, but there may be VAT payable, which is 17.5%:eek:

I'll dig out the link I had at home

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I moved to the UK (from Norway) in 1991 and I brought 2 cars (one registered to me and the other to the missus) and I didn't pay a penny in tax or VAT.

I suppose the rules might have changed since then?
 

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in writing

They may well have YP...

sounds like the best thing to do then is email them.... (and keep 'em!)

That way you have everything in writing should the tax man cometh....

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Please guys

trust me on this and take Chumleys recent experiences. Sell it here and buy new there.

The UK has some very trickey laws all supported by the motorcycle retailiers against grey imports. ( Ok you're not grey importing but you WILL fall under the same law)
Your frame number will be foreign and there's insurance hassles there as some companies will only accept importer certified bikes. for 3rd party liablilty etc. Really far fetched i know but the whole thing is one big dark cloud :crying:
 

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I moved to the UK (from Norway) in 1991 and I brought 2 cars (one registered to me and the other to the missus) and I didn't pay a penny in tax or VAT.

I suppose the rules might have changed since then?
I might have known...bloody scandies suckin the UK dry. Tax dodgers the lot of em. And to bring in free transport too boot. It's you lot that caused the demise of British Rail :twofinger
Most of us have never recovered from the loss...i mean those BR sandwichs were the back bone of British economics!:crying:
 

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I sent DVLC an email and got the following in reply:

CUSTOMER REF : V292104

Thank you for your e-mail.
I should firstly mention that DVLA Swansea can only answer general enquiries
regarding the import of vehicles into the UK. Specific enquiries regarding
the procedures or documentation required must be directed to the DVLA Local
Office where the application will be made.

You should apply to license and register the vehicle at your nearest DVLA
Local Office, as soon as possible after arrival in the UK. A list of Local
Office addresses may be found on our website as listed below, or in booklet
V100 available at any licence issuing Post Office®. The vehicle must be in
this country and available for inspection before you make the application.
The only circumstances, in which you can drive the vehicle, are to and from
a pre-arranged SVA/MOT test and to and from a garage for remedial work
following failure to pass the test. Thereafter the vehicle should be kept
off the road until the licensing and registration formalities have been
completed. NB. UK law requires a vehicle to be licensed and registered for
road use. To avoid difficulties, importers are advised to transport rather
than drive their vehicles from the port of entry to home or first
destination.

Please note applications will not be dealt with over the counter.
Applications received outside a Local Office catchment area will be accepted
and forwarded to the Local Office nearest the applicant's home address for
processing. Provided that the documentation is lodged with the Local Office
in this way and the registration requirements have been complied with, the
application will normally be dealt with by return of post.

From 1 January 2004 keepers who first license and register their vehicle(s)
using application forms V55/4 or V55/5 will have to produce proof of name
and address. A new information leaflet INF148 'Licensing and Registering
Your Vehicle Using a V55/4 or a V55/5' has been produced giving details of
the identity documents required. If you fail to read this information before
submitting your application it may cause a delay in your application being
processed.

The following documents will need to be submitted to the Local Office:

· Completed application form V55/4 or if appropriate V55/5:
· Form V55/4 is for "brand new" vehicles
· Form V55/5 is for "used" vehicles
· Appropriate Identity Documentation confirming your name and address
· A £38 registration fee (if applicable)
· The required fee for the licence
· British insurance certificate
· The appropriate Customs & Excise form (see fact sheet 1)
· Foreign registration document and any other papers you have relating to
the vehicle
· A current British MOT test certificate for:
· Cars, motorcycles, motor caravans and Light Good Vehicles if more than 3
years old
· Passenger carrying vehicles with more than 8 seats and taxis (excluding
private hire
cars) if more than 1 year old
· Evidence of type approval (see fact sheet 2)

A brand new vehicle can be driven to GB and registered as new provided the
vehicle is registered quickly after collection, this is taken as 14 days,
has reasonable delivery mileage and it has not been previously "permanently"
registered.

On receipt of a completed application the Local Office will allocate a
registration mark appropriate to the vehicle's date of first use abroad and
issue a vehicle excise licence. The papers will be forwarded to DVLC and
you will receive a registration certificate for the vehicle within 6 weeks.



FACT SHEET 1

CUSTOMS & EXCISE DOCUMENTATION



WHAT CUSTOMS FORM DO I NEED?

C&E 386 This form is issued by Customs & Excise for a vehicle of any age
personally
imported from outside the European Union (EU).

C&E 388 This form is issued by Customs & Excise for a Customs restricted
vehicle
of any age personally imported from outside the EU.

C&E 389 This is a self-declaration form which should be used by VAT
registered
traders for commercial imports from outside the EU.

BFG 414 This form is issued to all Customs relieved vehicles, irrespective
of age,
which have been personally acquired within the EU by British Forces Germany
personnel.

VAT 414 This self-declaration form (available at Local Offices) should only
be used in
the following circumstances:

a) For NMT vehicles acquired commercially within the EU by VAT
registered traders.

b) For vehicles not classed as NMTs (ie. over 6 months old and having
travelled more than 6,000 kms) which have been acquired from
within the EU.

VAT 415 This self-declaration form (available at Local Offices) should be
completed
by customers when they have personally acquired a New Means of
Transport (NMT) from within the EU. Following licensing and registration
the form will be forwarded to Customs & Excise. Please note that a VAT
415 cannot be used for vehicles imported from outside the EU (eg. Japan
or the USA - even if the vehicle has been driven to the UK via an EU
country).

NB: New Means of Transport (NMT) vehicles are defined by Customs & Excise
as originating from within the EU and are either less than 6 months old or
have travelled less than 6,000 kms.

FACT SHEET 2
TYPE APPROVAL

Most cars and light goods vehicles manufactured up to 10 years old need to
produce evidence of type approval.

For vehicles brought in from the European Union this will take the form of
an ECWVTA (Certificate of Conformity (CoC). Copies can be obtained from the
manufacturer - a charge is usually made for this.

If you have been unable to obtain a Certificate of Conformity for a vehicle
previously registered in another Member State prior to import it might be
acceptable in the UK under the mutual recognition procedure. Further advice
on this can be obtained from the Vehicle Certificate Agency - Telephone 0117
952 4125.

Vehicles imported from a non-European country will need to be submitted for
an SVA inspection. Until 31 July 2001, one level of test applied to all
vehicles. But from 1 August 2001 a more stringent test has been introduced.
Enhanced SVA (ESVA). The Basic SVA will be retained only for the following
main categories of imported vehicle.

· "personally imported" vehicle as defined below
· any left hand drive vehicle

From 17 June 2003, motorcycles must either have Type Approval, Motorcycle
Single Vehicle Approval or Mutual Recognition. Without such approval or
exemption, such motorcycles cannot be registered in GB.

WHAT IS A PERSONAL IMPORT
As from 1 February 2001 you are a personal importer only

a) if the vehicle has been imported by a person entering the United Kingdom;
b) that person had, at the time the vehicle was imported, been normally

resident in a country other than the United Kingdom for a continuous period
of at least 12 months;
c) that person intends to become normally resident in the United Kingdom;
d) the vehicle has been in the possession of that person and used by him in
the country where he has been normally resident for a period of at least 6
months before its importation; and
e) the vehicle is intended for his personal or household use in the United
Kingdom. Establishing the criteria of the new "Personal Import" criteria
will be the responsibility of the Vehicle Inspectorate.

Vehicles over 10 years old are exempt from type approval and from SVA.

NB: Vehicles over 3 years old are also required to pass an MOT (Passenger
Carrying Vehicles with more than 8 seats and taxis - excluding private hire
cars - if more than 1 year old).

Further information can be obtained from the booklets "How to Import a
Vehicle into Great Britain" (PI5) and "The Single Vehicle Approval Scheme"
(SVA4).

If you would like to request an Import Pack please telephone 0870 240 0010
to use the automated form request service.




Regards

Eirlys Clack
Customer Enquiries Vehicles

For further information on Driver and Vehicle Licensing, visit our website
on http://www.dvla.gov.uk
 

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Nice...

Well, that surely proves that I was right.

Sell it and buy another one when you get there...

WAYYYYYYYY less hassle!!! Right BP??



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Things have changed

Well Chum...it all depends on the tax i guess. If you are allowed to import the bike duty free ( lived away for 12 months, owned bike for 6 months) then it might be worth looking at. ....Naaaaah i'm staying with you Chum. the freight, the hassle, the damge etc etc just aint worth it.:crying:
 

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And who has a name like Eirlys Clack... is that a stage name?
Depends how you lopl at it.
There's the s****** factor without a doubt but it also has that "don't fark with me" thing about it:cool:
 

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I THINK IT SOUNDS MORE LIKE A MEDICAL CONDITION, PERSONALLY!

DAI, EMELYN, GERRAINT, DAFFYD AND SO ON ARE CLUES TO THOSE THAT EMERGED FROM THE VALLEYS AND THE PITS TO JOIN THE HUMAN RACE SOME YEARS AGO.
 
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