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To support squids or not to support squids that is the question.....


I met up with a ya-hoo (aka: wanna be a wankster but I can only afford to be a wank; saving up to add the -ster lata homie, ya feel me) on a katana 600 last night. I hate the ghetto wanna be's expecially up here in Maine, come on your a hick never been further south than NH and you think your straight out of brooklin, please)

What a interesting character, he was chasing me around Portland for about 10-15min before I stopped to see what was up. Typical squid no helmet or gloves he did have a nice pair of ray bans, but it was 11pm at night so I am sue the visibility was limited from them. I am assumeiing that between the shades and bling (gold cross that I though may have been to scale of the origional) he had more invested into his "personal assecories" than his bike and a years worth of insurance.

I was quite interested in his riding tallent or lack there of.....doing freequent "humping of the bike" to bounce the front up and pull several 4-5 inch wheelies for a tremendous distance (if you were wheelieing a FLHTC) maybe 5-6 feet. He was quite impressed with his own abilities. He started to figure out about 15-20 min later that I was not participating in his squidly behavior and decided to "blow me away" so he took off through the tail end of a yellow light... At the same time I saw flashing lights to my right approaching the intersection, sure enough is was one of Portland's finest, responding to a call.

In all of about .4 seconds I experienced several feelings at once, first happy that he would get caught acting like a dumbass, then sick to my stomach thinking of what he would look like after he is side swiped by a Portland cop driving a SUV with a brush guard on the front at 40mph. In a flash it was over the, squid locked up both breaks and started to slide with his rear end kicking out to his right. The Officer must have seen him comming because he swearved to the right and matted the SUV! Just as the SUV when by the dope on the Katana highsided over the right and launched himself a good 15-20 feet. The bike slid past him and into a curb on the opposite side of the street.

Here I am shaking my head, stopped at the light. Wondering, damn.... is that PO going to come back to see if he is okay? Sure enough in the moments of counting my lucky stars for not allowning him to provoke my squidly behavior in the downtown area. I helped him pick up the bike and he decided to lay down on the sidewalk. Another cop car showed up (5-10 min later) asked if he was okay, and what happened. No call for an ambulance or any type of medical exam. That's great just let a dude like that riday away with a concussion.....After telling the story to the officer I asked... "Why didn't the other officer stop?" He riplied that the other officer was a domestic disturbance call and would not stop because he need to respond to a potential life threatoning situation.... WTF? I asked how did he know that he wasn't hurt or killed in this accident? No answer.... After checking both of our info out.. Lic, reg, ins, inspection's the Officer asks: So, do you want me to fill out an accident report? The squidly man said, yes I do! Officer: Are you sure I don't think it was over $500 damage to your bike so it will probley just make your insurance go up. Again the squid says yes. The Officer said well then I guess I need to write you up for not stopping for an emergency vehicle and no inspection sticker then huh...

When I realized he wouldn't dignify himself to a responce to any of my questions, I thought just shut my mouth and get out of there before he starts being really nice and hands me a nice ticket too (even though all my info was in order and I did nothing wrong). I left my number with the unfortunate rider and told him I would be more than happy to participate in any type of legal proceedings against the city if he needed me. He had a friend drive a truck over to get the bike I recommended that he also take him to the hospital, to document the accident and get checked out.

I normally say the squid gets what he deserves in a situation like this but the complete lack of respect and responsibility displayed by Portland's finest has me worked up. What if it were me and the cop car just kept driving to go to a "life threatoning call" and I am laying in the road unconcious or unable to move, waiting for another car to run me over. Not impressed one bit! In this case I think I should support this guy even if I think he is a ghetto thuggin wanna be squid.
 

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walk away. There are no winners in this situation, just loosers. If it gets to court, it will either be settled for pennies, or become a long and drawn out crapfest. I'm sure mcsquid had some sort of priors, that someoen will make something up, and that the lawyers will end up screwing everyone involved. So you stand nothing to gain, but guaranteed to loose at least a few days of your time. Forget it ever happened.
 

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After ths guy highsided, was he moving at all? Did the cop see him move? In most cases if he is moving and concious the police will roll through, calling for EMS. If he was NOT moving, then yes, the cop would have to stop and at least provide first response medical support until an EMT or paramedic arrives. ( I have EMT cert and get to boss cops around, talk about a power trip :D).

Yes, the cop should have at least stopped.
Yes, the squid should have been wearing gear, gave the right of way to the police and not have been attempting wheelies in public.

IMO, I would not have said "Here's my number if you want to sue the city and need a witness".... but that's just me. :dunno:
 

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Hi mainerdr-

Look at it through the lens of risk vs. reward. One can always get philosophical about these kinds of events, but it just isn't worth the investment of your time, energy, and money in the scenario you've described. Once you start getting your name involved in lawsuits against the City of Portland you will sow the wind and reap the whirlwind.

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I say let him do what he want with the city, but you should steer clear. Give him advise, like wear a helmet and some gear dipshit, be glad your still alive, and just move on. There isn't much of a cure for stupidity, other than a gun, so just let him attempt learn on his own. I do feel sorry that he had to meet some of "Portlands best" though. Some cops seem only to make a bad situation worse...
 

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Jester, the cop was moving at a high rate of speed thru the intersection when the guy wiped. So maybe he shouldn't have stoped, but in my gut I really feel that the officer was neglecting the use of caution through an intersection with a red light. Yes he should go through the intersection but not at 40+mph in a 25mph zone with a blind intersection... Just my opinion.

I guess I should stay out of it but, I can't help but think if it were me and I was injured I wouldn't want my only witness to just split and not offer help if he needs it. I plan to only say my side of the story and tell the truth to what I saw. I feel if I turn my back on a fellow biker that got the shaft then it's just bad carma for me. Maybe I am wrong but I feel I am doing the right thing.
 

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Jester, the cop was moving at a high rate of speed thru the intersection when the guy wiped. So maybe he shouldn't have stoped, but in my gut I really feel that the officer was neglecting the use of caution through an intersection with a red light. Yes he should go through the intersection but not at 40+mph in a 25mph zone with a blind intersection... Just my opinion.

:confused: Ok, now that you bring up the blind intersection, yes I can see that he should have slowed down. Being that not all the facts were given to start with, I was only going off of what you had told us.

EMT's and paramedics here are REQUIRED to stop at an accident scene, otherwise they get their license revoked. Dunno about police. If he radioed to another unit in the area due to him going full speed to a domestic, they would have gotten there sooner.

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Very interesting situation. The squid blasted off at the tail end of a yellow light. Most likely speeding himself. He did not make contact with the patrol vehicle.

Emergency vehicles has the resposibility to verify intersections are clear when they are running red lights. Doesn't matter what the hell is going on. It is their resposibility to verify a safe run through the light. Where this guy would run into problems winning this is the fact that he was probably speeding and he didn't make contact which would typically mean he could have avoided the accident(in the eyes of a court).

I personally would still try to nail the police forces asses since it sounds like the cop was partially negligent. I believe if he had any kind of decent lawyer at all he would get at least something out of it. He could probably get enough for a new Gixxer Thou'. :D
 

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Hi mainerdr-

You could always tell the whole truth how you rode around with this person for thirty minutes during which time he pulled wheelies in traffic and accelerated through a "stale yellow" signal to end your time together. Your challenge would be to report all the facts as you saw them with care not to add or delete any of the information leading up the moment of the crash.

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Hi mainerdr-

You could always tell the whole truth how you rode around with this person for thirty minutes during which time he pulled wheelies in traffic and accelerated through a "stale yellow" signal to end your time together. Your challenge would be to report all the facts as you saw them with care not to add or delete any of the information leading up the moment of the crash.

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A good lawyer would never let that happen.
 

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Hi RCjohn-

My point was in making an absurd example and not "tilting" towards either side of the story.

Mainerdr would be mandated to tell the full and truthful story if he was going to say anything at all...including the part about him safely stopping while the other rider goosed it through a yellow signal. It would be the only honorable way to handle testimony.

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iam with mainerdr and i would probly do the same thing myself, if the squid contacts you or a lawyer does remember to tell the lawyer the compleat story and let him make the call if you would be a good witness. i doubt he will do anything at all.
 

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Remember the squid hasn't been cited for anything so what he did before getting there would be totally irrelivant and any good lawyer would make that know and certainly wouldn't ask those specifics in courtand if the officer's attorney asked those questions a decent plaintiff attorney would object. I'm sure it would weigh into how far he actually pushed any negotiations before hand. You never know what kind of judge you would get.

It really just would depend on how the details were presented by all sides. As we all know, young guy on sportbike is up against the wall when it comes to fighting the law.
 

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EMT's and paramedics here are REQUIRED to stop at an accident scene, otherwise they get their license revoked. Dunno about police.
I don't know about where you are, but here, they CANNOT stop if they are already responding to another call. They could be held both criminally and civilly liable, with very few exceptions, such as themselves being involved in an accident en route. The officer was responding to a potentially life-threatening situation and did the proper thing by calling it in and having another officer respond.

As to the attitude of the other officer, well...Sounds like he was being an asshole.
 

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I'll kick in on this one.



My thought is to look at it from a larger standpoint. If this dude actually attempts to go after the police for this, it may change their standard policy on the matter. The way the cops do so many things suck, I can attest to that, so when you can affect change in a good way on their policies, its always good down the line. I think they should have more accountability for their actions, it's actually very difficult to sue the police, perhaps for this incident but for mistakes they make, they are usually off limits.


If its possible he could win and they have to change the way they operate, I think thats worth it. Yeah squiddie would get some money, that would suck..... but isnt our goal to want them out of the gene pool faster anyway? So he gets 50k, goes out and gets a 'busa, hooks up his custom wiley coyete rockets on the back, and does his best to ram his face through a truck tailpipe at 200 mph.
You however, would have affected change. That and maybe squiddie would buy you something before he wads himself into a ball.



I dunno, cops have f*cked me and my family but good, all through their incompetence, multiple times in my life, so I say get some back. Its up to squid boy though.
 

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It sounds to me that since the PO didnt respond to your questions and was pushing to not file a accident report. He knew they did something wrong.
 

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It sounds to me that since the PO didnt respond to your questions and was pushing to not file a accident report. He knew they did something wrong.
I am sure the camera in the PO SUV will answer any of those questions. Wonder if they can recall speed during pursuit in that case.
 

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In your opinion was the cop the cause of the squid going down. Would he have gone down if the cop was not there. Sounds to me the cop left the scene of an accident he was involved in.
 

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The only reason the squid went down is because he has limited experience. He locked up his brakes when the cop blew the red light.
If the PO wasn't there no accident would have happened, but an experienced rider may have avoided it.... meaning, understanding the limits of your bike and breaking balance is critical in emergency stopping situations.

The more I think if it the more I understand why the cop kept going. If I make a 911 call and the nearest officer responding causes an accident but doesn't make contact with his vehicle, I guess I would want him to continue on his initial call while reporting the accident and calling emergency vehicles to respond. It's a tough call, it makes me think about riding in pairs more often. If I were alone and I was the one in the wreck, I would fear that by leaving the accident no one would have the ability to help me or my bike out of the path of other traffic.
 
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