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Why grow when we're looking, ultimately, at a world gov't? The EU and eventually a NorAmer gov't are just stepping stones, IMO. And resource scarcity will increase the likelihood/progress of this, I believe :2cents: Besides, as with corporate acquisitions, a real merger is almost always more trouble than its worth.
 

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lol, because I'd rather this world gov't resemble ours than that of europe. Or god forbid the UN.
An unwieldy gov't is prone to a collapse, and collapsing gov'ts ussually result in some shooting.
 

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For ages & ages we have had the Province of Quebec wanting to seperate from the rest of Canada. Most do not realize that if it was not for the rest of Canada the Province of Quebec would be in great debt. IT counts on tax money from the richer provinces to support them plus so many count on the maze of Fed Govt jobs they end up in.

A few elections ago one frog political party voter with voice was claiming they wanted their own aircraft carrier & subs. Well we have four mothballed small diesel subs we bought from the UK9 (the UK ordered 20 of them to find the first four were lemons so cancelled, bothballed & sold them to Cdn some yrs later) some years ago. Some say they are in opperation though I sometimes wonder as one cought on fire while underwater from the UK to Cdn. Still the largest ship we have in Canada is a supply ship for a friggin' aircraft carrier with aircraft. Crumbs our troops over in Afghanistan count solely on choppers from other countries to move them or supplies AND in fact the troops transport themselves, on road to often so one reason they are suckers to land mines.
 

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Roflmao. That shit is rich. Abit short on information, but makes up for it in enthusiasm
Thought you might find it funny and it was sorta on topic.
 

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For ages & ages we have had the Province of Quebec wanting to seperate from the rest of Canada. Most do not realize that if it was not for the rest of Canada the Province of Quebec would be in great debt. IT counts on tax money from the richer provinces to support them plus so many count of Govt jobs.
I got the "honor" of flying through Montreal the day after the first vote and got dragged into a Quebec customs office and yelled at for an hour or more 'cause I was an American. Oh wait, no, she screamed at me when I said that, saying she was an American too by her presence on the N American continent. If I didn't think it would've cost me an expulsion, I'd have laughed in her face regarding the failure to secede vote :finger:
 

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I got the "honor" of flying through Montreal the day after the first vote and got dragged into a Quebec customs office and yelled at for an hour or more 'cause I was an American. Oh wait, no, she screamed at me when I said that, saying she was an American too by her presence on the N American continent. If I didn't think it would've cost me an expulsion, I'd have laughed in her face regarding the failure to secede vote :finger:
"my, my someone is mighty defensive"
Would've been my answer...
 

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So you ended up with a sample of a North American that lives & works in Canada. Yes being called an "American" would have been such an insult though she does live in North America. I would have loved to have been a mouse in the corner on that one.

Wonder what it would have been like if you had called her a Canadain since so many look upon being classed as a Quebecer for so many address themselves as that rather then a Canadian. Yes they will give you Quebec as their birth of home or resident of Quebec & Canada if asked if that is Province of Canada or what part part of Canada-----that would have caused stink.

You do not see me typing out that I am a British Columbia resident, but that I am a Canadain. They want to be knowen as Quebec residents & nothing to do with Canada.
 

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Actually I think the shortage in resources could cause general collapses or elimination of democratic governments.

It would seem possible to have more and more ethnic groups using terrorist techniques to sue for greater and greater autonomy until they're effectively their own state. Look at the FARQ or Sunni/Shiites as current examples of this struggle.

OTOH, as resources reduce, some strong-arms could start swooping into adjacent locales/states and turn them into forced-labor resource hubs. Ethically it would seem unacceptable but when it comes to survival I suspect ethics will take a back seat (or even be in the trunk).

You haven't expressed your thoughts yet, I see.
 

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I disagree, shortage of resources rarely gives rise to terrorist states, but an abundance often does.
When there is some abundant resource (oil, diamonds) a small group can take control of it, and then establish a normally non viable state, subsidized by selling this resource. See most any opec country, ussr, and half of africa.
On the other hand in a country that is poor in resources (or has resources that are not easily exploitable) everyone is forced to work together somehow, thus it gives rise to a more sustainable state, with greater respect for human rights, better education systems, infastructure, etc. See israel, and of course the USA in its early years.
Obviously there are some exceptions, the one that comes to my mind immidietly is afghanistan. Perhaps it was hystorical factors that formed this situation, or perhaps it was the relative remoteness of the region, that allowed certain groups to avoid the eye of the international community.

As for wether it is the destroying or forming gov'ts that causes violence, I think its a pretty pointless debate. After all gov'ts are ussually formed right after one is destroyed, with the only exception I can think of being ethiopia.

Back to the original point, of expanding the USA. On the surface it seems like a good idea, if done right. Annexing central america for example is one way to solve the illegal immigration issue everyone is fussing about. However there are pit falls. Expand too quick, and you risk loosing cultural and economic identity, by displacing the native population. Furthermore, one risks being viewed as empirialistic by outside entities.

Well, on the last point we dont have much to worry about. US is the worlds favorite scape goat, regardless of what we do.

Now the guys whole "blue/red state" theme is obnoxious in its partisanship, a quality that needs to exit out politics quickly, before it ruins pretty much everything. However, I dont see that happening as long as TV remains our main medium of mass communication, and policy is constrained to sound bites and slogans, leading us to pick the best sounding, and ussually more extreme approaches to our problems. Once a discussion medium is found that can carry a debate in futher detail, analyzing the nuances of points perhaps we can become more unites. We are seing the beginings of this right now, as blogs start playing a greater part at forming public opinion, in which the public can actually participate, but it needs to go a step further. We need to involve this new method of communication in actual decision making, not just some sort of grass root support system.
And, of course, term limits are bound to help :)
 

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resource issues aside...
The roman empire and mogolian empire fell apart Since they were just too dam expansive to control and support.
Ussr was along those lines I thought....:dunno:
Without a doubt the EU is gonna expand more and gain more power, what remains to be seen is if a nuclear race proceeds in the east, and if russia goes back to full tilt bully, mafia, "I'm the fookin man in control here.." tactics.
These outcomes will be the primary motivatiors for awhile.
I dont see the US doing any changes for a long time untill it gets farther backed into a corner, via resources or economics.

Russia kills me on how it looses it's ass, and finally gains some power and economics, and starts causing shit all over again.
Dont those people ever learn?:rolleyes:
 
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