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What's the best way to talk to a friend about buying a less powerful bike than the one he wants for his very first street bike?

I feel buying any 600cc (other than an sv650/s) is suicide, and a friend is talking about a 600gixxer or even a 750 bike. The usual 'I'm a safe driver in my car, I'm not stupid' comes up. Hell, I know I'm even a very safe driver in my car, but when it comes to a bike? shit, too much power between my legs and I could very easily end myself one day.

So what's teh best way to talk to friends about not buying a bike that's too powerful?
 

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If his mind is made up then that’s it you can't do much. How old is your friend. Maybe he should check in to insurance rates before deciding.

I have been riding dirt for years. I started on a used r6. You can do it. But you have to be level headed and realize how fast you can hurt your self.

I wrecked at the track after one year of having the bike. If I had had a 250 it may have been different because I wouldn’t have been doing 70MPH coming out of turn 1 at
Jennings.

I have had my close calls on the street. But I have never had any problems on the street.
Before I took the bike out for a real ride I learned the bike capabilities, at slower speed and then gradually increased them. I’m so good now that I probably use about 25 to 30 percent of my bikes capabilities.
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...i dont really think a 600 is a death wish. i think if you buy a brand new 600, thats pretty risky, because a)-they're lighter, more powerful, and very twitchy b) they're expensive and you'll most likely drop it. but, ive never thought it was a death wish. i know a guy that started on a 600RR and has 10,000 miles under his belt. he learned how to ride, and rode within his limits.

an older 600 isnt a death wish either. i think a lot of people are really TOO scared about the supersports. i mean, if you start on a 250, and jump on a 600 i think the rider will be in a lot of trouble just like a newbie would. if you are used to having to twist the wrist to go anywhere on a 250, when you jump on the 600 hundred and do that...the rider is going to get messed up.

i would try to talk him out of the 750. that bike probably is WAY too much for him or anyone to start out on. i havent met anyone that's started on a 750, so i wouldnt truly know, but...doesnt sound like a good idea

my point is, a motorcycle is a motorcycle. there's always going to be that risk of getting killed. yes, a sv650 or 500r is probably a much better choice for a newbie, but i think if he bought an older 600, he'd probably be fine. and if he bout a really old 750 (maybe a 90-92 zx7-R (i think)), then maybe thats a better choice for him. i think you can get into trouble on any bike and it takes a lot on the rider's part to keep the rubber side down, newbie or not, regardless of bike
 

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I agree a 600 is to big for a first bike. I acually experienced this exact situation. My friend wanted to buy a bike, bought an 89 FZR 600, and crashed it 3 days later. Luckly he only broke his thumb and dislocated his shoulder. I saw him go down and it was quite the spectical. We harass him about his stupidity constantly, and all have a good laugh at his expense. Do whatever you can to stop him, tell him he'll kill himself on it...but thats about all you can do.

Here is what the retard did to his 3 day old bike
 

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...i dont really think a 600 is a death wish. i think if you buy a brand new 600, thats pretty risky, because a)-they're lighter, more powerful, and very twitchy b) they're expensive and you'll most likely drop it. but, ive never thought it was a death wish. i know a guy that started on a 600RR and has 10,000 miles under his belt. he learned how to ride, and rode within his limits.

an older 600 isnt a death wish either. i think a lot of people are really TOO scared about the supersports. i mean, if you start on a 250, and jump on a 600 i think the rider will be in a lot of trouble just like a newbie would. if you are used to having to twist the wrist to go anywhere on a 250, when you jump on the 600 hundred and do that...the rider is going to get messed up.

i would try to talk him out of the 750. that bike probably is WAY too much for him or anyone to start out on. i havent met anyone that's started on a 750, so i wouldnt truly know, but...doesnt sound like a good idea

my point is, a motorcycle is a motorcycle. there's always going to be that risk of getting killed. yes, a sv650 or 500r is probably a much better choice for a newbie, but i think if he bought an older 600, he'd probably be fine. and if he bout a really old 750 (maybe a 90-92 zx7-R (i think)), then maybe thats a better choice for him. i think you can get into trouble on any bike and it takes a lot on the rider's part to keep the rubber side down, newbie or not, regardless of bike

And here's the part that could be damaging...I think if he bought a older 600, he'd prolly be fine.....welp...that's a big maybe, you willing to bet that he'd prolly be o.k.?

Look, this topic has been, and prolly will be..beaten to death over the last 4 or 5 years...Amoung all the experts, i.e. those hat teach racing, past racers, ect...all recomend starting on a less powerful bike. Why, because a bike that's underpowered, like a 250 ninja for example, teaches you how maintain corner speed, cuzz ya can't use the motor to keep up with others, i.e. watch a 125 gp rider a a track day...that 125 usually is passing 600's, 750's and even 1k's in the turns..

Not that you'll be doing this on your 250 ninja, bu it's the same princible...and a smaller bike is far easier to toss around han a 400lb 600...it's also much more user friendly, may not be he cooles lookin bike, but if you stick with a 250, and really learn how to ride it, you'll be way ahead of the game...but your ridng buddies on their 600's might not like it...:D

You can disagree about the small bike thing, but untill you've done it...you have no idea..
 

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I had simillar mind set when I decided to buy my first bike few monthes ago, because I didn't know better. The best way to convince your friend to get a smaller bike and wear gears is to show him pictures and video clips of motorcycle accidents. It worked for me. After I saw some picture and accidents, I decided to buy less powerfull bike, used katana 600, and I never ride without all my gears on.
 

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hammer4,


i wasnt saying that 250's and 500's were junk either. i said that they would ultimately be a better choice for a beginner. All i was getting at was that many people in here think that a 600 is SUICIDE to start on and i dont really think its SUICIDE :2cents:

those race pro's that recommend 250's and 500's are recommending them to teach better riding skills (like you said, cornering, and learning how to race), not survival on the road, which is what we're talking about here. i completely agree that learning on a less powerful bike will help you learn how to ride better.

i didnt say it was the best idea, but i dont think its suicide. also, to the guy who's friend wrecked his 3 day old bike.....it was a very old 600, i doubt it was lack of skill that brought him down. maybe it was just him, or maybe he hit something, but i doubt it was the INSANE power of the 89 FZR 600.

if this guy is trying to do track days and really get out there and fly, ya, he should be starting on a smaller bike. but if he's going to be the typical guy on the streets, and he HONESTLY thinks he can handle the power of an older 600, then i say go ahead.

edit : all of this is dependent upon completion of MSF and having ridden a bike before (even if its just around the block on a dirt bike to make sure he knows what he's getting himself into)
 

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I can only wish you luck & it will depend upon his attitude. The others have given you some good advice.

On this board & others I have seem people that have bought powerful bikes to where they went down with the bike to injure themselves, to someone with a long dream of haveing the Triumph named bike that Munro had in The Wild Ones movie only the modern Triumph was to much for him & with one simple fall he was teriffied of the bike, to another that bought the largest cruiser Honda offered & was to frighted to ride it after around 20-30 frightening miles on the bike, to others that came on raving about the bike they have bought only we never hear from them again.

The ones we do hear from & are on the boards are chaps & gals that started out with decent learning bikes & then worked their way up to what the are riding now & even that could be improved in a year or two for they LOVE riding & feel at home when riding.
 

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I just purchased a YZF R6 about 3 months ago. My prior experience on bike was only riding around the block not taking over 15 m/hr. When I went to look at the bike I took two experience riders to tell me what they thought, then I took the MSF course and starting riding. 1 week, was for me to get used to the bike then I started riding down to work. Round trip 140 miles thur South Florida 95 traffic.

For me I think that it was the best choise that I ever made so far. I've been thur some F...Up accidents before so I have a idea of crashing a vehicle, but I don't want to find out how it could be with a bike so I ride within my limits.
 

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Send me a PM, I'd send you a PM, but I think you have that option turned off. :)

P.S. Anyway, don't know if you found any good curves, I've checked 50 miles radius near Stuart and Indiantown, it's all straight over there, hehe. The only ones I found near my house is that High Meadow road that connects Palm City and Baker Rd into Port St. Lucie. Two curves, short and slow 25-35 mph, the other day I was going around 70 through the corner and cop was waiting. :D
 

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conrice said:
hammer4,


i wasnt saying that 250's and 500's were junk either. i said that they would ultimately be a better choice for a beginner. All i was getting at was that many people in here think that a 600 is SUICIDE to start on and i dont really think its SUICIDE :2cents:

those race pro's that recommend 250's and 500's are recommending them to teach better riding skills (like you said, cornering, and learning how to race), not survival on the road, which is what we're talking about here. i completely agree that learning on a less powerful bike will help you learn how to ride better.

i didnt say it was the best idea, but i dont think its suicide. also, to the guy who's friend wrecked his 3 day old bike.....it was a very old 600, i doubt it was lack of skill that brought him down. maybe it was just him, or maybe he hit something, but i doubt it was the INSANE power of the 89 FZR 600.

if this guy is trying to do track days and really get out there and fly, ya, he should be starting on a smaller bike. but if he's going to be the typical guy on the streets, and he HONESTLY thinks he can handle the power of an older 600, then i say go ahead.

edit : all of this is dependent upon completion of MSF and having ridden a bike before (even if its just around the block on a dirt bike to make sure he knows what he's getting himself into)
Actually, I have street riders in mind re: he 250, and 500..

I'll also say that while a 600 isn't automatic suicide, they aren't the best way to learn how to Survive on the streets either...that's just from my personal experiences, i.e the carnage in the last 5 years or so..

Once again, I'll say, that IF you haven't had the pleasure of riding a 250, or a 500 cc bike like a ninja, or a GS 500...on the street, or in the canyons...you really don't have any idea what fun they are, and wha you are able to learn vs a 600 sportbike...just my opinion..:D
 
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