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There's a few new riders around here, so I'll post that last season I got rear-ended by an SUV at a stoplight when he thought I should've blown through (I'm pretty law-abiding). Suffice it to say, a rear view mirror check saved (probably) my life, and certainly my bike because I could act logically given my circumstances.

Anyway, I bring this up because I saw this thread and am not too sure about the pictures. It seems the laws of physics defy any explanation, but there's an argument on a car enthusiast site with some bits of a plausible explanation.

1) Is it real, or is it photo-chopped?
2) Watch your rear when you're stopped!!
 

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I know a few riders who will get to a red light and put the bike into neutral and chill out. I used to think this was okay until I took the MSF and learned the importance of paying attention to your surroundings and being ready to move.

When you come to a red light, keep your bike in first, pay attention to traffic, scan your rearview mirrors and always leave yourself wiggle room in case you have to move out of the way of a cage quickly.

There's a reason this is taught in the MSF, and I know that there are a few riders on this board that can attest to this saving their lives.

Oh, and kan: it's real, I think it was Dad on here that provided an explanation as to how it could have happened.
 

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spicerke said:
I know a few riders who will get to a red light and put the bike into neutral and chill out. I used to think this was okay until I took the MSF and learned the importance of paying attention to your surroundings and being ready to move.

When you come to a red light, keep your bike in first, pay attention to traffic, scan your rearview mirrors and always leave yourself wiggle room in case you have to move out of the way of a cage quickly.

There's a reason this is taught in the MSF, and I know that there are a few riders on this board that can attest to this saving their lives.

Oh, and kan: it's real, I think it was Dad on here that provided an explanation as to how it could have happened.
I know that I was guilty of doing the same thing. I used to put my bike in neutral, put my arms up on the tank and lean over top of them and just hang out until the lights changed. I never knew how important it was until they explained why NOT to do that... I think the MSF course is definitely a must.
 

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The above one of the cage on the bike is with a badly injured rider.

I have had more rear endings be I in my cage or on my m/c then all the other accidents put togeather.
 

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My friend recently was driving in his Civic, and he was stopped, waiting for traffic to clear so he could make a left hand turn. Some dick with his girlfriend in the car rear ended him doing 50mph, sending my friend flying into the incoming traffic. He barely managed to dodge an 18 wheeler. No serious injuries to anyone, but both cars are totalled and my friend just found out that the teenager doesn't even have insurance. That's a year's license suspension and fines..his mom wants to settle out of court, however.

Anyway, that was a car being rear-ended...if my friend had been on a bike he'd probably be dead (although hopefully he would have been more alert).
 

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I leave my bike in 1st and flash my brakelight if it's at night, all while i keep an eye on my mirror. Though after a car has safely stopped behind me I sometimes put it in neutral and relax a bit more.
 

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Another suggestion is not to stop in the middle of your lane. If you stop closer to the edge of the lane it allows drivers room to miss you if they would have rear ended you, lets you see traffic behind better (you look back in the lane instead of at your elbows), and lines you up to shoot up between lanes if cars are stopped ahead of you and you neeed to move to avoid being rear ended.

Or just move to California and lane split to the head of the light and remove any opportunity to be rear ended!! Works for me. In fact when I leave California I'll probably still pull in between cars/lanes to avoid being rear ended and if it pisses people off I'll explain how many times I've been rear ended in my car and how it AIN'T happening on the bike.
 

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A friend of mine was told on an advanced riding course in the UK that you should never stop in a queue of traffic or at a red light.

It was suggested that when you see a line of queued traffic or a stop signal you slow to a speed before you reach the obstuction which allows you to keep moving, the theory is that when you reach the point where the traffic or obstuction is, its not actually there any more. While doing this you keep looking in your mirrors and if it looks like someone is about to ram you, you have room in front of you to accelerate and avoid the prick!

I see the theory and logic behind this but I don't think it would work in practice, car drivers would be trying to over or undertake me when slowing for a stop light!
 

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apexismaximus said:
Another suggestion is not to stop in the middle of your lane. If you stop closer to the edge of the lane it allows drivers room to miss you if they would have rear ended you, lets you see traffic behind better (you look back in the lane instead of at your elbows), and lines you up to shoot up between lanes if cars are stopped ahead of you and you neeed to move to avoid being rear ended.

Or just move to California and lane split to the head of the light and remove any opportunity to be rear ended!! Works for me. In fact when I leave California I'll probably still pull in between cars/lanes to avoid being rear ended and if it pisses people off I'll explain how many times I've been rear ended in my car and how it AIN'T happening on the bike.
Stopping in the middle of the lane is a bad idea anyway because that's where all the oil is.

I do miss splitting traffic, but I still don't miss California. :D
 

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Another suggestion is not to stop in the middle of your lane. If you stop closer to the edge of the lane it allows drivers room to miss you if they would have rear ended you, lets you see traffic behind better (you look back in the lane instead of at your elbows), and lines you up to shoot up between lanes if cars are stopped ahead of you and you neeed to move to avoid being rear ended.

Or just move to California and lane split to the head of the light and remove any opportunity to be rear ended!! Works for me. In fact when I leave California I'll probably still pull in between cars/lanes to avoid being rear ended and if it pisses people off I'll explain how many times I've been rear ended in my car and how it AIN'T happening on the bike.
You mean it is actually legal to lane split in California?
 

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You mean it is actually legal to lane split in California?
Yep, and it was SWEET!! :thumb:
 

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I've heard many people say lane splitting in CA is OK.

Here is a link to verify this -

A buncha California MC law question links

About the relationship between a queue of cars and stopping, I agree with the UK class mentioned. I try to downshift and brake my way up to an intersection and avoid stopping. One, I have a way out by keeping my eyes on the mirrors and a buffer to get out ahead, and two I think it is really cool to not have to ever put your feet down while you are riding. :rolleyes:
 

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I've heard many people say lane splitting in CA is OK.

Here is a link to verify this -

A buncha California MC law question links

About the relationship between a queue of cars and stopping, I agree with the UK class mentioned. I try to downshift and brake my way up to an intersection and avoid stopping. One, I have a way out by keeping my eyes on the mirrors and a buffer to get out ahead, and two I think it is really cool to not have to ever put your feet down while you are riding. :rolleyes:
Not to discredit the site above, but why not take it straight from the California Motorcycle Drivers Manual?

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/dl655/dl665mcycle2003.pdf

Go to page 20. Basically it says lane sharing is not illegal, but then goes on to say it isn't safe and you shouldn't do it. Operative word being shouldn't, not can't.

People out there were pretty good at watching for riders for the most part and many of them would try to give you as much room as possible. There were a few assholes though that would see you coming and swerve at you or try to block you from passing them.
 

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Its carnage out there.

Most car drivers in the UK are either talking on thier mobile phones or asleep whilst driving. Its quite ammusing sometimes when you go past and blip the throttle right near thier open windows, some of them jump like they have had a broom handle shoved up thier arse! Even funnier doing backfires, they think they have been shot! LMAO.
 

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One poor chap was at a BIG Memorial parade with his 10 yr old daughter riding pillion & while staggered & all, as the best in such a big group (believe it was 500 riders) in coming downhill things were sort of stopping & so did he only chap in a V-4 cruiser did NOT & by a miracle he was actually able to catch his daughter before she hit the pavement.

That was darn hairy I have to admit when I was reading it.

Have I been saying something about not liking groups, group rides, & riding solo instead?
 

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I whish I could find out what states allow lane splitting and which ones don't, I most intreted in VA right now but I can't find anything on it. Maybe they will tell us when I take the MSF.

On another note. I was coming home today after riding for a bit. I was getting ready to trun on to my road I took a glance at my mirror, I saw a Blazer breaking quite hard. Since I downshift before my truns I was allready in a low enough gear, I grab a good amout of throatle and then took the next trun and had to come around the back.
 

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I whish I could find out what states allow lane splitting and which ones don't, I most intreted in VA right now but I can't find anything on it. Maybe they will tell us when I take the MSF.
Only CA allows legal lane splitting.
 

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I thougt it was legal at least in NYC to.
No, that's just how they drive there. Its not legal, but I've seen it done in front of police with no repercussions. Probably a philosophy of "you'll get killed by a cabbie eventually" :twofinger
 
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