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I generaly like Sport Rider magazine and usually find it pretty good, but they really dropped the ball (IMO) in their Bike of The Year issue (Decmeber). I mean, holy sh!t. How could they leave out the Mille R, GSX-R 750, Ducati 996s, or even the FZ-1? At first I thought maybe it was new bike of the year, but the R-1 and 'Blade are pretty much carryovers from last year. Wanna read a thorough, thoughful, and well written "bike of the year" comparison, check out Superbike magazines October issue.
 

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Smeghead said:
Is this the mag that voted for the 1800 Gold Wing ?
Actually no, that was Motorcyclist that named the Goldwing Bike of the Year. What's up with that? :confused: :barf:

Sport Rider concentrates on sportbikes only and is usually a good read.
 

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Hysyde said:
I generaly like Sport Rider magazine and usually find it pretty good, but they really dropped the ball (IMO) in their Bike of The Year issue (Decmeber). I mean, holy sh!t. How could they leave out the Mille R, GSX-R 750, Ducati 996s, or even the FZ-1? At first I thought maybe it was new[/] bike of the year, but the R-1 and 'Blade are pretty much carryovers from last year. Wanna a read thorough, thoughful, and well written "bike of the year" comparison, check out Superbike magazines October issue.
Yeah, it is a good magazine. Maybe they didn't want to admit that because they have such small (comparatively speaking) circulation that they didn't have the clout to get someone to give them a 996 or Aprilia R. As for the 750 Suzuki, maybe Suzuki didn't want to take a chance on it over shadowing the 1000. Who knows, but you bring up a very good point. Another very good comparo was Cycle World's (I think) recent "Master Blaster" article.

Really, I don't think the FZ-1 is a sportbike in the true sense of the word.

My$.02....
 

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Hysyde said:

Actually no, that was Motorcyclist that named the Goldwing Bike of the Year. What's up with that? :confused: :barf:

Sport Rider concentrates on sportbikes only and is usually a good read.
Crossed wires, Hysyde. I must admit to not buying many U.S. mags as ours are pretty good. Plus when I see some of the prices you guys have to pay for stuff, it kind of ticks me off !:crying:
 

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I belive that Sport Rider is owned by Motorcylist and Cycle World. They have the means to get bikes.

Usually if you see an article in one of the mags above, they all have the same article, but written differently.

I think they all pretty much suck anyway. They never really speak badly of any product, wether it's bikes or gear. I don't think they wanna lose ad money.
 

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Busa Rocket said:
I belive that Sport Rider is owned by Motorcylist and Cycle World. They have the means to get bikes.

Usually if you see an article in one of the mags above, they all have the same article, but written differently.

I think they all pretty much suck anyway. They never really speak badly of any product, wether it's bikes or gear. I don't think they wanna lose ad money.
Sport Rider and Motorcyclist are published by the same company, but I'm pretty sure that they each independantly generate their own tests, comparos, and performance data.

Cycle World is completely independant of these two magazines and is published by a different corporation.

If you don't like American magazines, then maybe you should check out some of the Brit rags.
 

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I noted that Sport Rider didn't include any Kawasaki products, then I reviewed all the pages and found ZERO Kawasaki advertisements...coincidence, not likely.

The Gold Wing was Motorcyclists pick for BOTY for some pretty good reasons. Honda spent a bunch of cash advertising the thing (Nicky Haden TV spots and tons of ink) so you know there is pressure there. However, the GW was a big departure from the old MotoBago versions. It's noticably more nimble and fairly quick. While not my cup of tea, I think it's a good choice for BOTY. Wanna place wagers on the V-Rod for '02?

The SR choice of the GSXR-1000 was a waste of ink for the most part. Duh, like they'd choose anything else. Why bother.

I think the BOTY is whatever you were able to buy :D
 

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I think we're all being a little too critical. None of the magazines ride one bike for a month then switch back and forth. They have a test fleet they they do three or four day comparos.

We in the real world ride our bike all the time (and come to love it) then ride a friends on an occasion. Thus we like our bike a lot and our friends just a little.

Also, so many of the mags admit that their aren't any wrong choices, just alternatives for different reasons. Each bike has it's own personality that fits wiht certain riders. I swear by my gixxer the same way you swear by your 929. Good for you, good for me, but maybe not for your friend.


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I noted that Sport Rider didn't include any Kawasaki products, then I reviewed all the pages and found ZERO Kawasaki advertisements...coincidence, not likely.

I noticed this too Tahoe. Traditionally, SR always give Kawi's a bad review. I really thought they would vote the ZX6R last year as best 600 SS because it combined great handling, powertrain, and comfort all in one bike. As usual, SR still chose the R6 because it works great at the track. Yet, they keep waxing poetic about how wonderful the 6R was everywhere else. Most of their pics were at the track too. Makes me wonder if the folks at SR actually do much street riding at all.

Have you seen their latest article: "Sibling Rivalry". They tested the R1 & R6, the CBR 929 & F4i, and Suzuki GSXR1000 & 600. What happened to Kawasaki?

I'll bet you Kawasaki USA refused to send Kunitsugu and his buddies, coupons to Starbuck's Coffee and Carl's Jr.'s Breakfast Burrito!! :barf:
 

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Have you seen their latest article: "Sibling Rivalry". They tested the R1 & R6, the CBR 929 & F4i, and Suzuki GSXR1000 & 600. What happened to Kawasaki?
Yea, I noticed that too. Interesting also that Eric Bostrom just won the 600SS class on a green machine, further Keith Code uses 'em for the Superbike schools too.

Kawasaki builds a great bike and the bias from these "rags" really shows.

I much prefer the erudite discussions here at Sportbike World :D
 

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Tahoe said:




I much prefer the erudite discussions here at Sportbike World :D
Hey Tahoe,
Was this a pop quiz.....unusual choice of of words considering
erudite basically means learning from reading (as in bike mags)
does it not......:) :p :D
 

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Caught me :D

Yes, I like tossing out tidbits of somewhat esoteric vocabulary, but well-read and scholarly fairly well describes the majority of posers here...opps, I mean posters.

I usually simply prefer to obfuscate an issue with lingustic puffery :D

FWIW, the GSXR 1000 sucks and should never gotten BOTY, they should have chosen something like a '71 Shovelhead ratbike.
 

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Generally, I don't like Cycle World as I have little interest in bikes that are not generally race oriented. But I've gotta say that they have been writing some pretty good stuff lately, far better than Sport Rider and Motorcyclist. I prefer the euro mags, but am not going to shell out $15 each month.

While I have no great love for Kawasakis, to exclude them from any comparo type articles is just stupid. Especially in light of little B doing so incredibly well on them this past year. So Kawasaki hasn't put as much research into their bikes in the past 6 months as the other three companies, so what? It doesn't appear to have mattered. And most of us yeahoos wouldn't be able to detect the minute differences between these bikes anyway. "Yup, them thar bike's green. That'n thar's yella, that'n thar's blue."

As far as a cross-platform overall bike of the year, why CAN'T a Goldwing win? If overall change from one year to another, r&d, advertizing and the like are all factors, then I can totally see why a Goldwing would be voted over the "beloved" GSXR1000. There's a lot more to take into consideration than simply a motor and transmission change that adds a few extra horses.
 

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Good point, Mongrel (I always say "Mongrel" to myself with the growling Scottie voice from the Lady & the Tramp cartoon :D)

Add to the mix the fact that Kawasaki had a bunch of podium finishes this year in WSB with an ancient ZX7RR bike. They never even mention that model in any magazines anymore.

I have very little regard for track worthiness as opposed to road manners. Very often, the superior bike on the track doesn't measure up to the Daily Rider. If you're shopping for a racebike, great, if you want a great roadbike, look elsewhere.
 

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elodello said:

As far as a cross-platform overall bike of the year, why CAN'T a Goldwing win? If overall change from one year to another, r&d, advertizing and the like are all factors, then I can totally see why a Goldwing would be voted over the "beloved" GSXR1000.
O.K. I put my hands up - I actually quite like the new Gold Wing.

Damn, hope nobody I know reads this !!:eek:
 

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And most of us yeahoos wouldn't be able to detect the minute differences between these bikes anyway.
Actually, we could. I've had the opportunity to ride my CBR600F3, a ZX6R, Aprilia Mille and Falco, and a CBR600F4 on tracks this year. Surprising or not, my impressions are fairly close to the magazines' impressions of those bikes. The big exception is the Aprilia Mille. I cannot figure out what impresses those guys so much. My Triumph Sprint RS is nearly as fast, much smoother, and more stable in fast corners. Cost $6,000 less to boot. The Falco is a great sport touring bike, but needs more cornering clearance for track use. I rode the Mille first, then hopped on the Falco and left a nice footpeg groove through Turn 11 at Thunderhill. Stayed on the track somehow, but it took me about 30 seconds to get the seat cover out of my rectum so I could get off the bike after returning to the pits.

The Kawi ZX6R is a great all-around bike, but the front suspension doesn't give nearly the feedback the CBR600F4 gives (which Sport Rider and the others noticed too). That Kawi motor is a gem though, and the ZX6R would be my first choice for a 600 street bike. The F4 is defintely more planted around Laguna Seca and easier to ride fast, but the Honda's motor is noticeably more buzzy than the ZX6R.

And yes, Sport Rider is a track-oriented magazine, which probably explains why they didn't include any Kawasakis in this year's BOTY comparison. Face it, the ZX9 isn't competitive on the track against the Suzuki and Yamaha liter bikes. It's a better street bike, but get on a track and the GSXR and R1 will smoke it - unless you throw a ringer on the bike.

Wait until next year when Kawasaki's updated models hit the showrooms and you'll see them back in the BOTY articles.
 
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