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So I'm watching CNN today and they announce that an appeals court has found the "Pledge of Allegiance" to be unconstitutional! I'm thinking to myself "WTF!" (I must say I do understand someone’s right not to have to say "god" during the pledge, although I personally believe there is one. I mean I've asked him/her for enough favors!) But, I mean what's next? School is going to be found unconstitutional? Or motor transportation? What about breathing? Or better yet the Flag it’s self? It's scary to me to think that some people that take full advantage of all the things this country has to offer, decide to spend their time fighting to get rid of one of the "few" things that still honor it. I mean what's the problem with showing a little respect or honoring the things that protect us every day? I know allot of us complain about things like taxes, or the cops, or the government. But honestly would any of us really want to live in another country? If so plane tickets aren't that expensive, and enjoy your life. It's too short not to! Sorry for the ranting, but I just needed to get that one out.
 

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This whole countries crazy. Did you hear about the woman that laid down on train tracks/got hit/sued/and won??:eek:
 

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A co-worker told me about it and I went to cnn.com and read the post and had pretty much the same reaction as Provis72.

In many countries even voicing an opinion like this might get you a visit from the Dream Police. Then you would be just another Amnesty International statistic.

I am an agnostic and I have no problem reciting The Pledge of Allegiance. I think it should be required of all school children. This is the United States, home of many freedoms including the freedom to use common sense. Seems to me more and more people lack it every day. People need to realize life will never be perfect and there will always be things that will "offend" you. The sooner a lot of people in this country realize this and get on with their lives the better off we will all be.

Interesting that this decision came out of a court on the left-coast (San Francisco). I wonder if the same decision would have been handed down in Texas or North Carolina. Also, how much of my tax money is being wasted arguing a case that will most likely end up in front of the Supreme Court?
 
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Things like that make me sick. I am currently active duty in the Marine Corps. Most things that bother me, I can't do anything about. Once all the "higher ups" make a decision, no matter how stupid, it's "aye-aye sir" I'm probably going to go off on a tangent here but bear with me. It also pisses me off when I hear people talking that the military gets paid too much. I can say I make a decent living, but my room in the barracks isn't all that big, granted I don't pay rent. Of course I'm told when to clean it and any "higher up" can come in anytime he or she wants to inspect it. Also, with my HazMat training through the military, I could be making upwards of $80,000, yet I settle for a base pay of $1,760 a month. And also, I can be called to go anywhere in the world to fight for our country at a moments notice. Leave my family and friends behind and in some cases, I have to lie to them so they don't know exactly where I'm going. Anyway, just thought I'd give my 2 cents.
 

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I too am in in the military, and I think many people realize that we don't get paid enough. R1-Racer's comments reminded me of something that happened to me once. I was stationed at Andrews AFB and I was driving onto Ft Myers, and the car going onto the base in front of me had a bumper sticker that said "CUT MILITARY SPENDING!!!" This is another time I was thinking to myself "WTF!!!!" It to this day puzzels me as to what this person was thinking! I pointed it out to the guard at the gate, and he too was looking like "WTF!!" But it just goes to show that people sometimes beleave in the craziest things. I sometimes wonder after Sept 11 if that person still has that bumper sticker. But on that note being in the military, I'll fight for the right of these confused individuals to be as confused as they want to.
 
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Well said Provis. I don't know how long you've been in or if you plan to stsy in, but I'll be done with the military in 45 days and then I'm getting out and going to MMI in Sept. I guess I'm just sick of all the B.S. I have to put up with. I came in right after highschool and never got to experience "real" civilian life. I just wanna do whatever I want, whenever I want. One thing I really wanna do is grow a goate. (spelling?) I'm sick of shaving every frickin' morning...Peace.
 

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This is not for decent people that live in California. So don’t yell at me after reading this. (I’ll just stick my :finger: out at you anyway):D

The best thing that can happen to the state of California is the next (BIG ONE). I hope when it comes, that scab on this country’s ass falls into the Pacific and takes all of Hollywood, and its “I’m better than the rest of you” actors, all of the San Franciscan America hating, gay rights loving judges, and all the rest of the porn, crime, and relative shit with it. Porto Rico (sp) can take its place on the flag. :finger: :mad:

P.S. If anybody from California, one this site agrees with that decision today, I have some advise for you. When the shaking starts, DON’T run!!! Hang on tight!!!
 

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I too was in the military and I know that experience really gave me a greater appreciation for my country, those who serve, and those who lost their life in the service of this country. It really is a sad day when more and more of what our country stands for and represents is being pushed aside as unconstitutional or worse, these symbols and freedoms being perversely abused to be the driving force to push aside what this great nation was FOUNDED upon. I saw the poll over at CNN about whether or not people thought the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional, and 77% (of almost 110,000 people) did not think so. All I have to say to the federal appeals court that ruled on this case is :finger: . That's my unbiased opinion! Just remember, you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.

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Do they even say the Pledge in schools anymore? I remember saying it everyday in school. I won't be learning/reciting a *edited* pledge. My children wont' be learning an updated version either ( when I have them ).
 

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What does God have to do with the founding of our country?

Why should anyone be required to cite the pledge?

If Congress added "...under God,..." in 1954, then that's a mix of church and state, and unconstitutional.

Calm down people, the sky is not falling.
 

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What does God have to do with the founding of our country?
Everything! You obviously don't know the history of our country and its origin. Go read some history and post again when you know what you're talking about.

scotty said:
Why should anyone be required to cite the pledge?
No one is required to recite the pledge of allegiance (to this wonderful nation of which you obviously have minimal understanding)

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If Congress added "...under God,..." in 1954, then that's a mix of church and state, and unconstitutional.
Under what decision junior? It's a matter of interpretation. I'll clue you in here: a vast majority of Americans would interpret the law differently than this court did. This is simply another case of liberal agenda being spewed on the public by those with too much power and not enoughh common sense.

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Calm down people, the sky is not falling.
No, it's not, but there's a large snowball that's been rolling and growing for a long time now...I don't wanna be around when it hits bottom.
 

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I must have struck a nerve with you, because your reply seems particularly venomous, even for you. Do you suppose next time you could leave out the smart-ass comments and offer a counterpoint in a tactful and courteous manner?

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Everything! You obviously don't know the history of our country and its origin. Go read some history and post again when you know what you're talking about.

No one is required to recite the pledge of allegiance (to this wonderful nation of which you obviously have minimal understanding)

Under what decision junior? It's a matter of interpretation. I'll clue you in here: a vast majority of Americans would interpret the law differently than this court did. This is simply another case of liberal agenda being spewed on the public by those with too much power and not enoughh common sense.

No, it's not, but there's a large snowball that's been rolling and growing for a long time now...I don't wanna be around when it hits bottom.

1) If the separation of church and state were one of the issues that they (the founding fathers) were after, then there should be no "God" involved. For a country with our spotty history, we have some nerve invoking god's name. But that, I suppose, is another topic.

2) I don't know about you, but when I was in grade school in the 80's, we were required to say it every morning before classes.

3) Did you read the article? Congress passed the initiative to add the "...under God" part in 1954 and Eisenhower signed it.

4) Who are you calling junior?

Look, I'm not saying we have to cater to every little special interest group and their agendas, but some things in this country are either obsolete or not applicable anymore. Those types of things should be changed. Change is part of life, and no, not always good, but not always bad, either.
 

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I grew up believing that saying the pledge helped show my pride in being an American, something I was, and still am, very proud of. Through the years I can't recall one single person saying, "It's my right not to have to say it if I don't want too." And if I would have, I would think that person doesn't deserve to be here. Hell, next thing you know some nuttmuncher is gonna scream about how the flag offends them. Maybe they can change up the lyrics to the star spangled banner a little too. I'm sure someone in America finds it offensive. :rolleyes:
 

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I grew up believing that saying the pledge helped show my pride in being an American, something I was, and still am, very proud of. Through the years I can't recall one single person saying, "It's my right not to have to say it if I don't want too." And if I would have, I would think that person doesn't deserve to be here. Hell, next thing you know some nuttmuncher is gonna scream about how the flag offends them. Maybe they can change up the lyrics to the star spangled banner a little too. I'm sure someone in America finds it offensive. :rolleyes:
Calm down, Senator McCarthy. I'm proud to be an American, too. That's why I'm still in the Navy.
Because you feel some way, doesn't make it true for everyone, or make them less deserving. The pledge obviously means something special to you, while to someone else it may mean less.
 

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I don't know why the Taliban are in such a hurry. All they have to do is wait until the Liberals ruin this country. Won't be long now.....
 

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Calm down, Senator McCarthy. I'm proud to be an American, too. That's why I'm still in the Navy.
Because you feel some way, doesn't make it true for everyone, or make them less deserving. The pledge obviously means something special to you, while to someone else it may mean less.

Senator McCarthy. Sheesh. I don't know of any commies working in the state department. How about not turning this into another name calling thread. :twofinger
 

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What does God have to do with the founding of our country?

Why should anyone be required to cite the pledge?

If Congress added "...under God,..." in 1954, then that's a mix of church and state, and unconstitutional.

Calm down people, the sky is not falling.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t these judges swear to God to up hold the office during their inauguration. Now don’t yall think they should step down immediately? Seeing as how the separation of church and state has been once again violated?
 

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This is not for decent people that live in California. So don’t yell at me after reading this. (I’ll just stick my :finger: out at you anyway):D

The best thing that can happen to the state of California is the next (BIG ONE). I hope when it comes, that scab on this country’s ass falls into the Pacific and takes all of Hollywood, and its “I’m better than the rest of you” actors, all of the San Franciscan America hating, gay rights loving judges, and all the rest of the porn, crime, and relative shit with it. Porto Rico (sp) can take its place on the flag. :finger: :mad:

P.S. If anybody from California, one this site agrees with that decision today, I have some advise for you. When the shaking starts, DON’T run!!! Hang on tight!!!
Hill-Billy,

I don't like San Francisco politics or social / political commentary by lame-brained actors any better than you do. But dude, calm down a little, okay ? :rolleyes:

The guy, Newdow, who filed this suit started off with this issue in what state ? Florida. The court tossed it because his kid wasn't even in school yet. So obviously, he is a bit of a nut-case, looking to stir things up no matter where he lives. Would a court have upheld this kind of frivolous appeal in Georgia ? Nope. But they might have in other places besides California.

My point ? Don't stigmatize a state with 30 million people in it as "the scab on this country's ass" on account of one dumb-ass court decision. Have you even been here ? I doubt it.

Peace, brother.

Steve C. US Army, Vietnam 1970-1971
 

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Well I am not going to say much because topics like this are pointless, everyone's opinion will be different and some will even be outright moronic..But nonetheless I believe this country and all it's F'in Political correctness BULLSH!T needs to stop..I love the US, I couldn't imagine myself living in any other country..But some of these politicians/lawyers/judges/CEO's (I could go on forever here) are just downright ridiculous..All this OFFENDING YOU bs needs to stop..I just don't know how these people go through life..The pledge is no longer MANDATORY to recite, it's grown a little old..I graduated in high school in 1998 and half the students never said anything, they just stood up..I mean if you're atheist(which that MORON Newdow is) then so be it..YOU'RE GOD DAMN KID DOESN'T NEED TO RECITE IT!!! Have her STUPID A$$ sit down and wait till it's OVER!! Why is everything in this country such a big deal? Lawsuits, laws changed, sueing over the most obsurd reasons and WINNING; I mean jeeez, everytime I read CNN (which I do everyday) I just shake my head at what's going on in the USA..I just want to know what's next? Hopefully I'll win the next Powerball and go buy my own damn island!! :twofinger
 

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Oh and just to let everyone know, if you read the entire article, the 9th circuit court this BS was ruled in is the most overturned court in the US..So there may still be a little hope!!
 
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