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The age old question..... how does the talent compare :confused: :confused: Bayliss gets the arse from MotoGp after a seriously ordinary year on the Duke :( Max comes back to Supers, on a race winning machine... but isn't exactly running away with it :cool:

Always plenty of opinions in here, so lets here some... Is Max just enjoying himself??? Is Bayliss only competitive on production based machines?? Would Toesland be any good on a 800?? Will the R1 ever run at the front again?? Is Rossi gay?? haha

And what about the formats. What's better, sitting down to an arvo of 2x SBK and a supersport or just the one Motogp race??
 

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You have to stop this GD!!!

We still don't get SBK here (except some intermittent chopped up 30min highlights). So you’re kind of barking up the wrong tree here as we don’t have much of a clue what you’re talking about, yet.....
However a couple of things, Bayliss didn’t get 1, but 3 years in MotoGP (2 with Ducati and 1 with Camel Honda, although out of most of 2005 due to injury). Max has never been in Supers before!!! The GSX R is brand new bike this year, so not a race winning machine (or didn’t it win a race in Losail or something in the first round this year…?).
Who is Toesland?? :p

MotoGP still has 125 and 250 cc also with plenty of action.

Yes, still thoroughly envious of you guys who can watch the Supers. So please stop rubbing it in!!
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always liked the R1 & R2 format of SBK.

I think the skill levels are similar just the stakes are different.
And rossi is gay
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Top post GD. It has to be supers. You have to love the fact they are on production based machines, assuming you can suspend common sense for a moment and forget the millions of dolllars spent making them nothing like the showroom jobbies.

It's only really problem is it's not seen as the pinacle, so people are always moving to GP .. or taking about it, so the field is too dynamic. Unlike GP's where the field stays till they retire.

Imagine a situation like we had a few years back with Edwards and Bayliss at the end of the seasson in SBK, with Rossi, Pedrossa and Haybale thrown in on an R1, GSXR and CBR i.e if the talent stayed at SBK, combined with the prod machine link and the double race format .... oww baby.

As for 125's and 250's. They are a feeder for MotoGP apparently, as well as a support event for the 800's, but they should also be a draw on there own. Not for me, and I would suggest not for most others as well. How DO you relate to a 125 two stroke machine, or a rider called 'Chippezia' from Spain?? ....

Now, a rider called 'Donald' from Australia, on a Honda CBR600 that looks a lot like the showroom machines is a LOT more interesting to watch, and this is just the intermission event between the two Superbike races.

Rossi is as gay as it gets, and we will all be asking ourselves "how could we have been so blind" in a few years ... just like we did with Boy 'look at that makeup up' George, or George 'long blond bang's' Michael. How many hetro's do you see with a best mate beside him every hour of the day, dreassed in bright yellow leathers and tugging on his arse. And lets not mention the european afro.
 

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Someone has clearly kidnapped Legend and is posting on his behalf....... that made way too much sense that did :D :D

I have to agree though, Motogp is just about the money (ala F1), I've always preferred the lack of superstardom found in the Supers...

You've given me an idea Ledge, what about an end of year all in, where the top 5 from each class (two strokers/supersport/SBK/Motogp the lot) each get a Ten Kate prepared 600 'onda and it's 2x 25 laps for the outright world riders title!!! Who cares where, who wouldn't pay money to see that???

BP is going to have a field day when he sees this :rolleyes:
 

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get oorf will ya.. Bayliss had to go back to the little boys play pen to do any good. He'd get whoooped in any race with the GP boys.

I reckon we should throw in a proper road race too.
So you have
the top 5 GP boys
top 5 SBK
top 5 super
top 5 super stock
top 5 road racers ( IOM boys)
top 5 endurance racers.

5 races ...1 each in the disciplines of each group. niow that would be worth watchin.
All on the same bike !!!!

Doc Costa would make a fortune:twofinger
 

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Originally posted by bigphil get oorf will ya.. Bayliss had to go back to the little boys play pen to do any good. He'd get whoooped in any race with the GP boys.
Your still taking those grumpy pills then BP!!

Come on this theory of yours will take some serious explaining!! I want to know why Max isn't killing it if the demigods of motogp are that much better??? He's no Rossi I'll admit, but knows his stuff and knows the circuits... All I'm saying is some riders are better suited to one or the other.

So your loyalty is clearly with motogp then Bp??? I know your a production based kinda guy, you just haven't come out of the closet :twofinger

So who would win this fantasy world riders championship - say your boy Haybale, I know you want to, I dare ya...


Doc Costa would make a fortune:twofinger
Haha yeah wouldn't he just, esp. with those road racer lunatics :cool: Not sure they like the smooth stuff though.

The endurance guys would struggle, I mean Warwick Nowland is one of the best going around but he'd get smashed in the other formats..

One more thought, what if we included anyone from the modern era in their prime (500 strokers onwards)??
 

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It's getting entertaining now. It would seem the option is no longer restricted to Supers or GP, we can now extend our preferences to any imagined future we desire. Nice ;-)

The idea so far seems to be a 'qualifying' format, where riders from various diciplines are eligible for the 'Championship of Champions' based on how well they did in their chosen disipline over the season.

Love the idea of racing in each of these, using a standard bike to compete in all.

Just imagine the bull shit that this would entail ... i.e who would be the promoter, how much would the respective series promoter demand for 'using' their riders, would the riders risk their specialist racing careers (by having highly likely accidents racing in events they are not specifically proficient at), would they risk their highly tuned egos, how would you ensure it is 'balanced' ... and what on earth would happen with the sponsers bla bla.

It's all making my head spin.

Now then, onto this SBK riders are better, are not better, than GP riders. Armchair generals. It would seem no one rider has made the definitive statement by moving from one, where they have done either well or poorly, and then dominated in the other.....

Look at Bayliss for a moment. He goes to GP, does quite well in his first season on the GP bike, so surprise surprise, the SBK boys might be on a par with the GP grid, but then proceeds to slowly get worse, then has a disappointing period on the honda. Logic says then he is an average GP rider then, and when he goes back to SBK, and cleans up .... so SBK must be easier than GP right?

Barros comes over, and in the first few races really start to look good. So the SBK bikes really must be an easier more forgiving ride ....

But then the 'Bayliss Incident'. He comes back to GP for one race, admitadly on a high, in top form and is one of the best, if not the best current SBK rider. He als ohas nothing to lose and everything to gain so can ride at 110%.

But still. He is on a bike he has not ridden for a long time, and it would have changed considerably since he last rode it. The previous assumption says GP's are much harder to ride than SBK's and the undisputed assumption is always that the talent in GP's should be higher that in SBK ... and the bugger WINS. He doesn't just ride ok, he wins the race, and he does so by a whopping great margin ...

So generals .. what happened there??
 

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He must have been on one of those hot RR's :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Maybe Bayliss just isn't a good crossover example (esp. not the one off ride where he romped away), what about my main man Col Edwards....?? No doubt he is one of the all time Superbike champs, but has he cut it in GP??? I say no.... not yet :p
 

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He must have been on one of those hot RR's :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

what about my main man Col Edwards....?? No doubt he is one of the all time Superbike champs, but has he cut it in GP??? I say no.... not yet :p
Never will :rolleyes: He just doesnt have it.

Take Rossi and Pedro out of the field and I dont see a lot of difference between GP and SBK riders.

Superbike is more interesting for me but lack of access is the problem. I have no idea who is riding and what happend in the last race so if I do get a chance to see a race it doesnt mean much.

Who has the best bruds, now thats an argumnet worth discussing:drool:
 

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So,

I love the way the SBK guys seem to be riding the bikes to the absolute ragged edge compared to the MotoGP bikes. It makes for some very good entertainment. As both Bayliss and Edwards have commented, the MotoGP bikes are much more like big 250cc bikes then the SBK bikes. Edwards had to completely change his riding style when going to MotoGP (I guess also because he is riding a bike that is designed for Rossi's riding style).

Anyway, another thing worth mentioning here when comparing MotoGP and SBK is the depth of the fields and number of races/racers.

Last year there were several different race winners in MotoGP (Capirossi, Bayliss, Rossi, Elias, Pedrosa, Hayden, Melandri, did I forget any…?)
How many different winners were there in SBK??

This year there are 18 MotoGP rounds and 21 racers on the MotoGP grid.
In SBK there are 13 rounds and only 15 racers. Why is that? I thought SBK was supposed to cheaper and more accessible??

Although 125 and 250 have a lot of unknown south European teenagers racing, I don’t agree that they lack entertainment value. Some of the most exciting close racing is to be found there. Some would say wacky racing, but definitely entertaining. Also, those are the guys you most likely will see next year in MotoGP.

I love both the series, and I think there is room for both. However, not here in Singapore apparently…
 

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no world wide coverage ( or interest) means SBK will always struggle.

Bit of trivia
what do
Daryl BEATTIE,
Norick ABE
Garry McCOY
Loris Capirossi

have in common ???? ( and they all thing Legends a girl doesn;t count)
 

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Yeah are they all missing a finger or toe??? Although that'd mean the list could be a lot longer :)

Beattie, Abe and McCoy have the same no. of premier class wins??? But that leaves Lorry, who would have a bunch more than the others put together???

They're all short arses?? :D :D
 

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Number of wins

Well, according to THIS LIST they have same number of premier class wins. However, it was "Posted by admin on 03-01-2005", so somewhat out of date BP.... :twofinger
 

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Right you bastid

bigphil said:
no world wide coverage ( or interest) means SBK will always struggle.

Bit of trivia
what do
Daryl BEATTIE,
Norick ABE
Garry McCOY
Loris Capirossi

have in common ???? ( and they all thing Legends a girl doesn;t count)
WHAT IS THE BLEEDING ANSWER?????:mad: :finger: :mad: :finger:
 

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Re: Number of wins

Silva Bullet said:
Well, according to THIS LIST they have same number of premier class wins. However, it was "Posted by admin on 03-01-2005", so somewhat out of date BP.... :twofinger
and as we all ( well those with a brain) know presumption if the mother of all fuck ups ....... feeling good now saliva ???:finger:

The answer is " as of 2005 thery all had the same premier class wins .....good stuff GD.:thumb:

I was gobsmacked that Capsicum didn;t have a lot more
 
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