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DAMN IT!!!!!

John:
Nobody had better "flame" you for posting that!!!!
It should,(unfortunately) serve as a reminder to us all to be smart and safe out there!!!!!
I feel for his family and friends.........
Jim
 

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I agree with Katana600. Nobody here will flame you. I think that we do need remminders just to keep us in contact with reality. I got a serious reminder myself back in Noveber. Shit happens, fortunately I survived.

I certainly am sorry about the rider not being with us anymore. I do feel that riders should start on smaller bikes but this just doesn't happen.
 

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Re: DAMN IT!!!!!

katana600 said:
John:
Nobody had better "flame" you for posting that!!!!
It should,(unfortunately) serve as a reminder to us all to be smart and safe out there!!!!!
I feel for his family and friends.........
Jim

1000% agreed! That is a sad case, but it will happen again. JUST KEEP THIS IN MIND ALL YOU NEWBIES! Like I have said before; it is wise to start in the dirt and then move to the street.
 

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this is just a sad thing.

i like sportbikes.net, but they definitely have a 600 is a beginner's bike mentality there. that's not smart.
 

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Dammit!! This was a 15 year old kid who had no business on an R6. I think this serves as a lesson to all of us on this board in how tho deal with newbies like him. In reaqding the first thread; most of the people were congratulating him on his choice with only one or two voicing there concerns that an R6 might be too much bike for a new rider. I think we should all learn from this and be more responsible posters on these boards, words of encouragement go a long way to feeding a young persons ego and perceptions of their ability. I somehow feel that we have let a fellow rider down and feel sad for his friends and family.
 

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Dammit!! This was a 15 year old kid who had no business on an R6. I think this serves as a lesson to all of us on this board in how tho deal with newbies like him. In reaqding the first thread; most of the people were congratulating him on his choice with only one or two voicing there concerns that an R6 might be too much bike for a new rider. I think we should all learn from this and be more responsible posters on these boards, words of encouragement go a long way to feeding a young persons ego and perceptions of their ability. I somehow feel that we have let a fellow rider down and feel sad for his friends and family.
I totally agree with this. As older and more experienced riders, I feel its our obligation to at least try and help new riders see the benefits of taking it easy first and stress the importance of MSF or some other type of training for these guys. I see too many "kids" hopping on the wheelie machines because their buddies have told them its better to buy bigger and faster first so you can grow into it. There's some truth to that, but in reality, bikes are cheap and your life isn't.

My thoughts go out to this persons family. :(
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Wow. I know that there are guys who race professionally and such at a young age, but other than that, do you feel like you would have been safe at age 15 on a sportbike? I know I wouldn't have. If I had ridden dirtbikes as a kid or something, and been around bikes, maybe. My first bike was at 19, almost 20, and I was just barely old enough to not be a nut on it. I think that displacement limits should be placed by age.
 
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I hate shit like this. I feel really bad but I just don't like replying to it, but after reading only the first page of the thread, I became mad. I don't care how smart people sound , New riders shoudn't be on that bike... Maybe if they have an extensive riding backround ...

R.I.P man.
 

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I wouldnt have had a problem with such a young rider starting on that bike, IF he had been riding (at least) off-road for several years prior. I believe that experience, combined with a MSC before hand, its not totally unreasonable. Admittedly, I would still have a few reservations.

To my knowledge, he had not ridden at all prior to that R6. IMHO, the R6 is way too much bike given those circumstances.

R.I.P. J :(
 

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He was 15 years old. He was unlicensed, and that r6 was his first bike. Not only was he new to riding motorcycles, he was taking drivers education, as he did not even drive cars. He posted messages at several forums - I've seen his messages asking for opinions on an r6 as a first-time bike at sportbikes.net and esportbike.com. Quite a few people at esportbike.com tried to dissuade him from getting the r6 for obvious reasons. Jared made no secret that this was his first bike, although he did claim to be 17 years old. Unfortunately, many of the members of sportbike.net supported Jareds purchase, and even still now after the tragic turn of events are upset over the notion that high-performance 600cc motorcycles are inappropriate as a first bike. There's actually a discussion ongoing at that message board with at least one moderator and an administrator trying to drum up support for the belief that no harm was done by promoting 600cc bikes to beginners. They're trying to blame Jared's death purely on operator error, downplaying any possibility that the machine was a contributing factor. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I find this very troubling. They've even hyperlinked to this very discussion thread and are outraged that we make such comments, holding a contrary viewpoint.
 

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El Diablo, right on the nose. I dont understand that mentality myself. Any good instructor that teaches MSC wouldnt recommend such a high-perf' bike to some one whos previous 2-wheeler was a bicycle.

Yes, ignorance and inexperience were a major factor in that crash. The R6, IMHO, is a twitchy unforgiving bike for a beginning rider. In the hands of an experienced rider, its manners can be well controlled, and capable of some amazing things.

Before anyone asks: Yes, I have ridden one.

When youre learning how to drive, you dont start in a Big-rig, you start in a car.

When youre learning how to fly, you dont start in an SR-71, you start in a light plane.

If youre learning how to cook, you start with Mac'n'cheese, not a thanksgiving dinner for 10.

I'd go on, but I think everyone gets the idea :D

I'm convinced that if he was on a "simpler" bike, he may be alive today (yah, this one is just waiting for it :) ).

The soap-box is now available.
 

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cbrf2boy said:
this is just a sad thing.

i like sportbikes.net, but they definitely have a 600 is a beginner's bike mentality there. that's not smart.

Look guys, Both sportbikes.net AND sportbikeworld are composed of MANY people. The views and comments of few should not be taken as the whole. No need to get in a pissing contest over one anothers sites. Keep it civil!
 

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Troy said:
Look guys, Both sportbikes.net AND sportbikeworld are composed of MANY people. The views and comments of few should not be taken as the whole. No need to get in a pissing contest over one anothers sites. Keep it civil!
I agree, let's not turn Jared's passing into a Sportbike World vs Sportbikes Net war.

Opinions are just like assholes, we all have one, and they all stink. ;)
 

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That is very sad.
I am going through this very discussion with a kid I am in the academy with. 19, doesn't weight more than 140 lbs, is at the typical maturity level for a 19 yo male, and likes to be the center of attention. At first he wanted a R6. Now he found the 2001 GSXR 600 (which the salesman told him was the NEW 600SS bike, and not the new version). He brought a pamphlet from the dealer and showed me what he wanted. I could strangle the bastard. If yall don't mind I am going to give him the address for this thread and tell him he needs to read this and the Sportbike.net threads. I am really trying to disuade him, but I fear he wont listen to me. I would hate to see him mess himself up cause I really like him, but if he won't listen....
For the record, I am not against a 600cc starting bike. That is more of a person to person issue. I am against a 2001 95+ HP racebike as a KIDS first streetbike. I learned on a 79HP F2 which had plenty of power for the first year. Then with a little experiance, I bought my next bike. I switched to a twin with similar power but improved handling. So, sorry for all of you who think a new 600 is a perfect street bike but I also don't wheelie, have never done a burnout, and have still passed a R1 in a turn on the outside while being down 30+ horsepower. I am not trying to brag (I already did that), I am trying to indicate a bike down on horsepower can actually be faster than a bigger bike once you have a little experiance and practice. I will step down from the soapbox now.
 
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