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Okay, here's the deal. I got popped for doing 125+ in a 65 in California last summer. Under the law, I was up against a $500 fine, 90-day suspension and possible jail time. When the CHP pulled me over (I was originally clocked by a plane), I was doing 70 and I was very, very polite after I stopped, so they didn't arrest me or take my bike. Needless to say, I didn't really feel like riding anymore, despite the fact that I had an 80-mile ride home.

This was a mandatory appearance violation, so I had some time to strategize. This is what I came up with, and it might work for you. I decided to go with the "My speedometer is inaccurate" defense, so I needed paperwork to verify this. I changed both front and rear sprockets, the largest I could find for the front and the smallest for the rear. I then had the bike dyno'd and it showed a minimum 10% discrepancy on the speedo! Now I know what you're saying, "That's still 112.5 MPH", and you're right. But, under the California vehicular codes, they cite you for "speed in excess of 100 MPH" which can also carry a reckless driving with it. This violation is what the judge sees. When I presented my case in traffic court, I showed the judge my paperwork from the dyno. I did not mention the gearing change as I was not asked. I was then convicted of simple speeding with no reckless or license suspension attached to it. I walked with a $150 fine, a bargain in comparison!

Yes, this is not the most ethical approach, but they play their games, so I play mine. I hope I've helped in my little way. Fly low!

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That gear change and dyno test was very innovative. As for being unethical, it is, but I think on the scale of unethicallity :) that wouldn't rate as high as say short changing a blind person or eating those by donation chocolate mints without donating. A guy once told me ethics are rules that only apply when no one is watching you, heh.

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Ahh, the ever present struggle between appreciating the cleverness or skill of somebody, and abhorring their actions.

Very clever, very skillful. Very wrong. "There is no controlling legal authority."
"I don't recall."
"I never had sex with that woman...."
"If it don't fit, you must acquit."

Another guy once told me:
What you do when no one is watching is the measure of your character.

"Choosing the lesser of two evils, is still choosing evil." - Jerry Garcia

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(The following said whilst on knees, forehead pressed flat to floor) I am not worthy! Please, touch me as you go by so that by osmosois, I may inherit a small part of your intelligence! My friend, this has got to be, by far, the most underhanded, illegal, legally and morally wrong example of how to beat the system that I've ever seen. Can I wash and wax your bike for you? Do you need any laundry done? Errands? Carpet vaccuumed? Buddy, you rock. I would've never thought about doing anything like this at all. Seriously, I don't know how you thought of this, but pat yourself on the back because it's the first time in speeding history (that I can recall, and I've been happily breaking these useless speeding laws for almost 16 years) that someone has actually come up with an innovative way to cop out (pun intended!!) from yet another "county coffer liner" speeding ticket. You did get lucky though, because as you said, anything over 100mph is the really bad offense. 112 does sound slighty better than 125. The judge was obviously in a benevolent mood. More power to 'ya! My idol! After I get my next speeding tickey, I'm gonna get a steel garbage can lid, take a pair of tin snips, and cut gears into it. Strap it onto my rear wheel, and get dynoed. This should effectively reduce the gearing to like, 10 to 1 or something. Think of the possibilities..............

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I guess I need to explain a little more about my strategy. Because the vehicle code I was cited under was "speed in excess of 100 MPH" rather than an actual speed, the judge could only assume that I was doing 101. This was an arraignment, so the cop was not present to give the actual speed. Therefore, with a 10% discrepancy, the judge could only get me for 90.9 MPH, simple speeding!

I felt guilty about my dishonesty for about 5 seconds after the sentencing...then I got over it. If you ride a sportbike and aren't something of a scofflaw, you may need to rethink your place in life. I liken it to dating a supermodel, but never wanting to see her naked.

Now, I'm not advocating anarchy, just reality. Vehicular crimes are nothing more than a way to boost municipal revenues and are ludicrous unless they bring harm to others. I was speeding on a 4-lane divided highway at 11:00 a.m. on a clear, summer Tuesday. No traffic, new pavement, new bike, 20-years' experience. Just remember, two wrongs may not make a right, but three rights make a left...

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Pete,

The dyno certification was dated AFTER the ticket, so I was blissfully ignorant of my "errant speedometer" at the time of the violation. Bummer, huh? Hehehehe....


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[This message has been edited by VTRPilot (edited June 27, 2000).]
 

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i may actually try that.. i got an 88 in a 55 a few weeks ago. the cop was pacing me.. i dont really see how cause at the time i was being squid vicious weaving in & out of traffic so how could he get an accurate pace? he said it took him 2 miles to catch up to me.. if i would have seen him before he was an inch off my rear tire i would have took off.




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VTR, man you are one crafty SOB.

I do feel this deserves praise, as the Traffic Cops in this country are for the most part merely revenue solicitors. Yes, the DUI task forces and TRUE criminal pursuing cops are doing a very respectable job. But lets face it, we have all got (or will be getting) a speeding ticket on our bikes at one time or another.

Are we unfairly discriminated against? I would say yes is the larger percentage than no.

VTR i will say again, you deserve the brass brain award for undermined excellence in traffic court (BBAUETC) for 2000.

I got f*&^d in 1994 for a wreckless driving ticket that i was not guilty of and the jurisdickedshun i was in had a no pleabargain policy. after the full trial, with my lawyer and all, the judges words: "...what you did wasnt wreckless driving, but it was inexcusable...verdict is wreckless driving <gavel>..." :confused:

Needless to say i was pissed and my butt still hurts from that one.

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[This message has been edited by GreenNinja (edited June 27, 2000).]
 
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VTRPilot, did you explain to the judge that you were not aware of the speedo inaccuracy BEFORE you got stopped? With my luck, the judge would have thrown the book at me saying that if I knew so much about the inaccuracy, then I knew how fast I was going.

Congrats on beating it!

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Speeding question

Nice bro, hey i was just wondering, when ur doing that fast on the freeway, and say u see a cop, or one try's to pull you over, do you usually take off, and out run em, or do you get pulled over at 100mph+. Just wonderin.:)
 

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Here's a thought, before you reply to a post - look at the last time someone has posted in the thread... this is a FIVE YEAR OLD THREAD, never the less - it's about how someone cheated a speeding ticket, you also asked the original poster a question - who mind you, hasn't posted himself since 2000. Everyone is happy to have you here but, it's kidn of frowned upon to bump ancient (in this case, dead, and decayed) threads to the top of the list, especially when there's no valuable information.

Please don't take this post too harshly, and keep the sticky side down ;)
 

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Well since this thread is already bumped..

You definitely wouldn't be able to do that in NJ. :laughing: The Stateys would rip you a new asshole and laugh with glee as they threw your bike onto a tow truck to send to the impound yard.
 

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I fail to see how something such as avoiding jail time for something was origionally deemed unsafe while being tested by a CAR in the 70's could possible be a morality issue.

Killing babies (or anyone for that matter)
Banging a married chick in the butt
robbing blind people

these are morality issues. Speeding tickets are not.




my speedo runs off the front tire... for that reason, I am not quite sure how gearing the bike differently would make any difference, but I aplaud you none the less.


my third and final thought...

Based on the first statement made.. isnt it about time they update the road signs to accomidate modern technology?


I mean, seriously, how is 80 MPH on an insterstate in a rural area unsafe?
 

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Modern technology can handle higher speeds fine. I believe the problem occurs when you add into the equation the dumbfucking retarded morons that you find operating the modern technology. Maybe the DMV could offer a "License to Speed" test or something. :laughing: You'd have to have a M endorsement on your license and somehow show you're capable of paying attention to the road and do no put on makeup, carry on arguments with your boyfriend on the phone or other misc distracting things while driving.
 

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Unas_the_Slayer said:
Modern technology can handle higher speeds fine. I believe the problem occurs when you add into the equation the dumbfucking retarded morons that you find operating the modern technology. Maybe the DMV could offer a "License to Speed" test or something. :laughing: You'd have to have a M endorsement on your license and somehow show you're capable of paying attention to the road and do no put on makeup, carry on arguments with your boyfriend on the phone or other misc distracting things while driving.

I noticed that all of the things you mentioned were generally Female traits. ;)
 

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I noticed that all of the things you mentioned were generally Female traits. ;)
:p Ahh.. that must have been purely coincidental. :confused: :cool:

Of course males are not all safe drivers either.. but they just tend to be wreckless at higher speeds, not doing something to distract them.
 

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Unas_the_Slayer said:
:p Ahh.. that must have been purely coincidental. :confused: :cool:

Of course males are not all safe drivers either.. but they just tend to be wreckless at higher speeds, not doing something to distract them.

I like the license to speed idea... but when I mentioned it somewhere else a while ago... I believe the most used term directed toward me was 'nazi'. :( they must have been the ones that couldnt drive, huh?
 

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I like the license to speed idea... but when I mentioned it somewhere else a while ago... I believe the most used term directed toward me was 'nazi'. :( they must have been the ones that couldnt drive, huh?
I guess so. :laughing: I think it's a great idea.

"But officer, I was only cruising at 150! Here's my license to speed.."
 

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Unas_the_Slayer said:
I guess so. :laughing: I think it's a great idea.

"But officer, I was only cruising at 150! Here's my license to speed.."


they could at least give us a dedicated bike lane... free of road nazis who believe it is their duty to adjust our speed by cutting us off, brake checking us, riding out asses, exc.

That would be a good start.
 
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