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Hi,
I'm a complete newb and havent ridden a street bike.
I've ridden a dirt bike like 4 years ago.

I'm trying to learn how to change gears before I go physically try it.

When upshifting to a higher gear do I have to press the clutch in?
What about for low rpm/low speeds? What about for High rpms?

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Yes, use the clutch. once you get good enough, the RPM's will barely go down when you shift.
 

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"It's like Dancing sitting down. Squeeze-tap-release-twist. Left hand-right foot-left hand-right hand"
Shouldnt that be"

"It's like Dancing sitting down. Squeeze-tap-release-twist. Left hand- LEFT foot-left hand-right hand"

I mean.. left foot IS the gear foot correct????
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Correct.
Right hand - Front brake
Right foot - Rear brake
Left hand - Clutch
Left foot - Gear selector
Ass - Seat Gripper :D
 

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That reminds me of a question for some of the people that have been riding for awhile. How long has it taken you to get really proficient with shifting and bliping?
 

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OSUrid3r said:
That reminds me of a question for some of the people that have been riding for awhile. How long has it taken you to get really proficient with shifting and bliping?
Shifting? A couple of weeks. I had shifting down before I figured out how to countersteer. But I could drive a stick before hand too.

As for blipping the throttle, that had to wait untill I got my first sportbike. Never had the need to do that on a standard. But after locking up the rear on a downshift I had that skill figured out pretty quickly
 

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Learned from necessity, yeah. I don't have a problem with either its just I'm not totally flawless at it. Some days its not a problem and others my gear changes get a little rough. I have a Factory Pro Evo Star shift kit to install this weekend which will hopefully clean up some things and I might try out a GP-style shift arrangement later on.

That brings up another question... knowing how to ride a bike, how hard would it be to learn how to drive a manual car? I assume the majority of the learning is simply translating the process into a different set of controls.
 

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Take the MSF Course & your problems will be over with plus you use one of their smaller bikes under the guidence of the instructors.

The MSF Course teaches you the BASICS in m/c riding & possibly survival though when your are up against crazy cage drivers then riding is chancing your life. Up to you, but rather then learn it all the hard way back in '46 (though the first few months were in '45 & in t he bush just a house lot away from my own) --------well I am still riding.

Just think no internet to ask such questions or sort of guidence, to no books/mags on m/cing & no parents or relatives or peers that road m/cs ----all on my own & done in the hard way.
 

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shifting is pretty easy once youre doing it hands on. My MSF instructor gave me the instructions one time and I nailed it the first try.

Now,,,,, being proficient with it takes a while. You have to learn your bike, how it sounds or feels. Then its a matter or experience before the shifting becomes automatic.

Upshifting is no big deal at all. You disengage the clutch while rolling off the throttle, then upshift, then start reengaging the clutch while trying to get the rps at the right amount. And there you go. You shifted gears.

Downshifting can get pretty tricky at times because you have to factor in the appropriate gear you want the bike on vs the speed vs the rpms. If you end up on the wrong gear as you downshift you might lock up the tires. Same thing about speed, if youre going to fast for that gear you went down on, theres a chance of locking the tire up. As far as the rpms are concerned, if you apply too much or too little gas after you downshift, the bike might lunge forward or back a little bit. But like I said, its all about getting to know your bike, how it sounds and how it feels.

for the other riders. When I want to get a fast take off, do I want get the bike on the powerband while I'm on 1st gear, or shift to 2nd gears as quickly as possible then try to hit the powerband. Because it seems like, anything <5k rpms on 1st gear dont do jack, and when you do hit the pb on 1st the front wheel keeps wanting to lift up. So it better to get to 2nd gear as soon as you can then try to get to the pd, gain speed, then keep shifting up?
 

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HondaNut! said:
You really should get back out in the dirt for awhile and then take an MSF before considering a streetbike.

Just my opinion..
+1. Many other details (along with the definition of MSF) included in the stickies in the New Riders section. Check them out.
 

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OSUrid3r said:

That brings up another question... knowing how to ride a bike, how hard would it be to learn how to drive a manual car? I assume the majority of the learning is simply translating the process into a different set of controls.
Pretty damn easy. The hardest part in the switch is that with cars you shift with your hands and clutch with your feet, while bike are the opposite. But car clutches are much easier to operate. The heavier flywheel doesnt stall nearly as easily, and the engine doesnt rev nearly as high, making the matching thing pretty simple. You should have it figured out fairly well in an afternoon
 

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ezrollin said:
Shouldnt that be"

"It's like Dancing sitting down. Squeeze-tap-release-twist. Left hand- LEFT foot-left hand-right hand"

I mean.. left foot IS the gear foot correct????
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It depends on the bike, I've ridden bikes with left foot, right foot, left hand low, left hand on the grip and automatics :dunno:
I've ridden bikes that you have to adjust the spark advance on the go from a stop. THATS a PITA!


But to get to the point of the issue, that quote in my sig. line is a direct quote from a book about 5 years ago. Name that book and win a prize! :burnout:
 

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When I want to get a fast take off, do I want get the bike on the powerband while I'm on 1st gear, or shift to 2nd gears as quickly as possible then try to hit the powerband.
If you want to go ultra fast from a stop you have to rev the engine to peak torque, about 8600 RPMs on my CBR, then let the clutch out and roll on full throttle fairly fast. At about 60MPH shift into second somewhere at or just above peak horsepower which is 12,500 RPMs on the CBR. I haven't tried this yet since I want to preserve my clutch but that's pretty much what you do. Typically I start off slower until the clutch is fully engaged then apply the powaaaa.
 

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But to get to the point of the issue, that quote in my sig. line is a direct quote from a book about 5 years ago. Name that book and win a prize! :burnout:
The Beach House.
 

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OSUrid3r said:
If you want to go ultra fast from a stop you have to rev the engine to peak torque, about 8600 RPMs on my CBR, then let the clutch out and roll on full throttle fairly fast. At about 60MPH shift into second somewhere at or just above peak horsepower which is 12,500 RPMs on the CBR. I haven't tried this yet since I want to preserve my clutch but that's pretty much what you do. Typically I start off slower until the clutch is fully engaged then apply the powaaaa.
wont the bike wheelie? too much torque all of a sudden
 

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Damn! Bingo! You're alright Kanwisch :thumbs2:
Great kan, now you get the pics of Kyle and Tippy in the hotel. :eyebrows:
 

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wont the bike wheelie? too much torque all of a sudden
'Dunno about a stock 600; maybe one with some non-stock sprockets and such. A 1000 is different since it actually has a lot of torque in comparison and doesn't really need any modifications to wheelie on launch. AMA superbikes have onboard traction controls to keep that sort of stuff under control.

And about that football game... yeah, I know my school lost.
 
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