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cookeetree said:
I thought they were already on the market over there? Going off your comment, I'm guessing they're not?:confused:
the GTO is here... but it's not selling well... I was say'n that those two you posted MIGHT sell for about the same price IF the brought them to the US.... sorry for the confusion:D
 

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The cool thing is, you can drop modern technology into old cars.

It's not half as expensive as the magazines would have one believe, either.:2cents:
 

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Yeah, I've heard some magazines refer to it as "Retro-tech".

Definitely the way to go. My wish list includes a 1968 four-door pillarless Impala with an injected big block.
 

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Personally, I don't think they've ever built a Camaro worth owning. But then again, I'm not much a pony car guy, either. I come from the school of midsize cars being true musclecars, like GTO's, Chevelle SS's, Road Runners, 442's, Galaxies, etc. Although the 1970-1/2 through 1973 Trans Am's were some good looking F-Bodies.
 

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Drop modern technology into an old car? you gotta be joking me.

Sure you can up the engine output to rediculous levels, but that could have been done years ago as well. Brakes improved sagnificantly, but all of this means little with huge, heavy, flimsy frames. Handling seriously suffers seriously with those, and there is very little you can do about it. (short of building your own frame, and putting a fiberglass body on it). To me those old school muscle cars are like cruisers. They look awsome in parking lots, but they just dont measure up anymore.
Something strange happened to the sportscar market in the 90's. its virtually all dead, except for either the stangs, or the not so affordable market. (I am not sure where the new vettes fit in)
 

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I wouldn't count on a new camaro any time soon. GM is doing terribly in this department. I could see killing off the camaro OR the firebird/trans am, but not both.

To counteract that they introduce the GTO, never driven one personally. It may have the power, but looks like a family car... pass!

They also brought out that stupid SSR car/truck thing (and I like car/trucks). Could have been really cool (but ugly) if it had been everything they hyped it up to be, but with no power and a rediculous price tag, can we say FLOP! I've only ever seen one driving and a local dealership is slowly piling up with them.

The corvette is the corvette. I don't think there's ever been a "bad" one per say, but they're not cheap. And I can't stand the vette purists... "It's not a chevy, it's a corvette!" sorry guys, it's a chevy, deal with it!

The mustang is the best bang for the buck out of the big 3 imo. $27k would have gotten me a basically fully loaded Mustang GT. I would own it right now if Ford's sales team wasn't a bunch of idiots, but hey, I'm more than happy to continue driving my 18 year old t-bird. Only issues that car's ever given me were rust issues, but I live in New England and it has to be expected.

Option B was a Mazda RX8. I would have one of those right now if I wasn't moving, they were gonna meet the price of the stang, but losing my well paying job with my move prevented me from buying that when I blew up the motor in my daily driver.
 

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vtrryder said:
...I come from the school of midsize cars being true musclecars, like GTO's, Chevelle SS's, Road Runners, 442's, Galaxies, etc...
F*ck me! If these are your mid-size cars, what are your big ones??!! :eek:


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...Drop modern technology into an old car? you gotta be joking me.

Sure you can up the engine output to rediculous levels, but that could have been done years ago as well. Brakes improved sagnificantly, but all of this means little with huge, heavy, flimsy frames. Handling seriously suffers seriously with those, and there is very little you can do about it. (short of building your own frame, and putting a fiberglass body on it). To me those old school muscle cars are like cruisers. They look awsome in parking lots, but they just dont measure up anymore....
Perhaps the stuff being built over there are as you've described but, in Australia, cars are built to be driven, hard.

The biggest bonus with modern engines in older cars is economy. Fuel injection will always eat a big carby when it comes to power / fuel consumption. Plus, with FI, you can make a monster hp motor idle like a kitten, but then roar when you mash the pedal.

You're right in that an older car will never entirely shape up to a modern car, but for those who love old style, the Retro-tech path is definitely the best path to travel.
 

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Vash said:
Drop modern technology into an old car? you gotta be joking me.

Sure you can up the engine output to rediculous levels, but that could have been done years ago as well. Brakes improved sagnificantly, but all of this means little with huge, heavy, flimsy frames. Handling seriously suffers seriously with those, and there is very little you can do about it. (short of building your own frame, and putting a fiberglass body on it). To me those old school muscle cars are like cruisers. They look awsome in parking lots, but they just dont measure up anymore.
Something strange happened to the sportscar market in the 90's. its virtually all dead, except for either the stangs, or the not so affordable market. (I am not sure where the new vettes fit in)
Flimsy frames?
Bad handling?

We must be thinking of different cars.:confused:
 

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Show me a 60's muscle car that is good at anything other than streight line run. (but they do run well in a streigh line)
 

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F*ck me! If these are your mid-size cars, what are your big ones??!! :eek:
In those days those were mid-sized cars here. LTD's, Bonnevilles, Caprices, etc. were full-size cars. Nowdays I get a rental and their idea of a full-size car is a Toyota Camry. Wasn't many years ago in the US it would have been considered a compact.:(
 

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vtrryder said:
Nowdays I get a rental and their idea of a full-size car is a Toyota Camry. Wasn't many years ago in the US it would have been considered a compact.:(
That ticks me off too, er, well, it used to a few years back... Then again, the Toyota Tundra is considered a "full" sized truck, IMO, BARELY. My F150 belittles it.
 

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Plus, the Mustang had out sold Camaro like 4 to 1. Mostly due to the V6 model too. Thing is, HP is vogue again, new Cobra's are running like 390HP at the rear wheels closing the gap on the 'Vette.

IMO, what drove Mustangs is the name, and more importantly, the idea behind it. The modern day man and his horse... :D
 

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I think what drove the mustang is the bang for the buck. Its a pretty descent sportscar thats is dirt cheap.
Camaros are slower (And I believe more expansive) while the vette is slightly faster but much more expansive.

Talking about late 90's mustangs here.
 

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Probably the most popular cars in Australia are:

Ford Falcon...



...and Holden Commodore. (Holden is a GM subsid.)



Both come in ute and station wagon versions also. Standard they're both 6 cyl (Ford is Inline, Holden is V), but sports models have V8's. There are also luxury cars built by these companies that are based on the longer, station wagon wheelbase.

In Australia, you're either a Ford or Holden person, even if you don't drive one. There's no middle ground.
 

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Falcon looks an awfull lot like the 500.
 
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