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Hi My name is mike, this is my first post here, im looking into getting my first bike, Ive read a lot of the other questions by other members, but im still unsure.
im 6'2 220lbs. Not looking for something super fast, but not something i will be bored with. i wanted to get a used bike but i wont be able to save up enough till next season, so i was thinking about financing a new bike. but i dont want to get stuck with some beginner bike and want to upgrade next season. so would i be able to start out with a cbr600 or a yamaha yzf600. also i was wondering is there big size differnce between say the cbr1000 and the 600? i just dont want to get something thats going to be small to ride for my size. thanks for reading my stupid questions,and any help, i would really appreciate. thanks
 

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Hey mike, welcome to SBW.

Your question is by far the most often asked here (Second one is "How do I wheelie?" third is "How do I fix broken plastics?"). All that said lets start with a few basics.

Just about anybike will have no problems what so ever pulling your "size". A 500 ninja will have no issues with a 300lbs rider and will still out perform most street cars.

Next, you will drop your first bike. Everyone here has. With luck you'll drop it at 5mph and not 60. But its going to see some pavement. For that reason, I advise you to get a used bike. They hurt the wallet/ego less when they fall. Whichever bike you end up getting, invest in some frame sliders.

Sportbikes made some amazing advances in the past couple of years. The '06 600's make more power then a 98 liter bike. Thats good news to most everyone, except for new riders. Lighter, touchier, powerfull bikes are difficult to handle untill you get the "muscle memmory" needed to control a bike. Peaky engines are very easy to stall, high compression means rear tire locks up on downshifts, bars headshake when on the throttle etc. For that reason, if you choose to buy a new bike, I would recommend you go for a non race replica bike, such as a SV650. Or an early 90's 600 either way.

Another thing to consider from a fanancial standpoint is the cost of gear. A full set will run you between $500 (for a decent helmet and textiles) to $1000 (for basic race ready leathers and a good helmet) and more if you want to go high end. It goes without saying that helmet, gloves, jacket and boots are an absolute necessity.

On to the last question. There is virtually no difference in the size of 600 and liters. the weight difference is ussually around 20lbs (a tank of gas).

Hope that helps
 

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Hey Seven-nj sorry this doesn't have anything to do with your topic but i saw you were from woodbridge like me. Well actually i live in fords but yea... same thing. Just saying hi and good luck on getting a bike.
 

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welcome to the SBW madness. If you havn't run across this yet, have a read.

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One of the most common questions new sport bike riders have is, “What kind of bike should I get?” This question is asked so often that I created a standardized response. Please keep in mind that these are the views and opinions of one person (albeit countless other also hold them) With that said, on we go…
Getting ANY modern 600cc sport bike for a first ride is a bad idea (far, far, far worse is a 1000cc) In fact, it may be nothing more than an expensive form of suicide. Here are a few reasons why.
1. Knowledge of Subject Matter
When anyone starts something new they find themselves at the most basic point of the “beginner’s mind”. This is to say that they are at the very start of the learning curve. They are not even aware of what it is that they don't know. A personal example of this is when I began Shotokan Karate. The first day of class I had no idea what an “inside-block” was, let alone how to do it with correct form, power, and consistency. After some time, and a lot of practice, I could only then realize how bad my form really was. Then, and only then, was I able to begin the process of improving it. I had to become knowledgeable that inside-blocks even existed before I was aware that I couldn’t do them correctly. I had to learn what the correct elements of inside-block were, before I realized that I did not have those elements. After I learned, I was then able to aspire towards the proper elements. This example is to illustrate the point that it takes knowledge OF something in order to understand how that something works, functions, performs, etc. Now lets return to the world of motorcycles. A beginner has NO motorcycle experience. They are not even aware of the power, mistakes, handling, shifting, turning dynamics etc. of any bike, let alone a high performance sport bike. Not only do they lack the SKILL of how to ride a motorcycle, they also lack the knowledge of WHAT skills they need to learn. Acquiring those skills comes only with experience and learning from your mistakes. As one moves through the learning curve they begin to amass new information…they also make mistakes. A ton of them.
2. The Learning Curve
While learning to do something, your first efforts are often sloppy and full of mistakes. Without mistakes the learning process is impossible. A mistake on a sport bike can be fatal. The things new riders need to learn above all is smooth throttle control, proper speed, and how to lean going into turns. A 600cc bike can reach 60mph in about 3 to 5 seconds. A simple beginners mishap with that much power and torque can cost you your life (or a few limbs) before you even knew what happened. Grab a handful of throttle going into a turn and you may end up crossing that little yellow line on the road into on-coming traffic…**shudder**. Bikes that are more forgiving of mistakes are far safer (not to mention, more fun) to learn on.
Ask yourself this question; in which manner would you rather learn to walk on a circus high-wire (1) with a 4x4 board that is 2 feet off the ground (2) with a wire that is 20 feet off the ground? Most sensible people would choose (1). The reason why is obvious. Unfortunately safety concerns with a first motorcycle aren’t as apparent as they are in the example above. However, the wrong choice of what equipment to learn on can be just as deadly, regardless of how safe, careful, and level-headed you intend to be.
3. “But I Will be Safe, Responsible, and Level-Headed While Learning".
Sorry, but this line of reasoning doesn’t cut it. To be safe you also need SKILL (throttle control, speed, leaning, etc). Skill comes ONLY with experience. To gain experience you must ride in real traffic, with real cars, and real dangers. Before that experience is developed, you are best suited with a bike that won’t severely punish you for minor mistakes. A cutting edge race bike is not one of these bikes.
Imagine someone saying, "I want to learn to juggle, but I’m going to start by learning with chainsaws. But don’t worry. I intend to go slow, be careful, stay level-headed, and respect the power of the chainsaws while I’m learning". Like the high-wire example, the proper route here isn’t hard to see. Be “careful” all you want, go as “slow” as you want, be as “cautious” as you want, be as “respectful” as you want…your still juggling chainsaws! The “level-headed” thing to do in this situation is NOT to start with chainsaws. Without a foundation in place of HOW to juggle there is only a small level of safety you can aspire towards. Plain and simple, it’s just better to learn juggling with tennis balls than it with chainsaws. The same holds true for learning to ride a motorcycle. Start with a solid foundation in the basics, and then move up. Many people say that “maturity” will help you be safe with motorcycles. They are correct. However, maturity has NOTHING to do with learning to ride a motorcycle. Maturity is what you SHOULD use when deciding what kind of bike to buy so that you may learn to ride a motorcycle safely.
4. “I Don’t Want a Bike I’ll Outgrow”
Please. Did your Momma put you in size 9 shoes at age 2? Get with the program. It is far better to maximize the performance of a smaller motorcycle and get “bored" with it than it is to mess-up your really fast bike (not mention messing yourself up) and not being able to ride at all. Power is nothing without control.
5. “I Don’t Want to Waste Money on a Bike I’ll Only Have for a Short Period of Time” (i.e. cost)
Smaller, used bikes have and retain good resale value. This is because other sane people will want them as learner bikes. You’ll prolly be able to sell a used learner bike for as much as you paid for it. If you can't afford to upgrade in a year or two, then you definitely can't afford to wreck the bike your dreaming about. At the very least, most new riders drop bikes going under 20MPH, when the bike is at its most unstable periods. If you drop your brand new bike, fresh off the showroom floor, while your learning (and you will), you've just broken a directional, perhaps a brake or clutch lever, cracked / scrapped the fairings ($300.00 each to replace), messed-up the engine casing, messed-up the bar ends, etc. It's better and cheaper to drop a used bike that you don’t care about than one you just spent $8,500 on. Fortunately, most of these types of accidents do not result in serious physical injury. It’s usually just a big dent in your pride and…
6. EGO.
Worried about looking like chump on a smaller bike? Well, your gonna look like the biggest idiot ever on your brand new, but messed-up bike after you’ve dropped it a few times. You’ll also look really dumb with a badass race bike that you stall 15 times at a red light before you can get into gear. Or even better, how about a nice R6 that you can’t ride more than 15mph around a turn because you don’t know how to counter-steer correctly? Yeah, your gonna be really cool with that bike, huh? Any real rider would give you props for going about learning to ride the *correct* way (i.e. on a learner bike). If you’re stressed about impressing someone with a “cool” bike, or embarrassed about being on smaller bike, then your not “mature enough” to handle the responsibility of ANY motorcycle. Try a bicycle. After you've grow-up (“matured”), revisit the idea of something with an engine.
7. "Don’t Ask for Advice if You Don't Want to Hear a Real Answer".
A common pattern:
1. Newbie asks for advice on a 1st bike (Newbie wants to hear certain answers)
2. Experienced riders advise Newbie against a 600cc bike for a first ride (this is not what Newbie wanted to hear).
3. Newbie says and thinks, "Others mess up while learning, but that wont happen to me" (as if Newbie is invincible, holds superpowers, never makes mistakes, has a “level head”, or has a skill set that exceeds the majority of the world, etc).
4. Experienced riders explain why a “level head” isn’t enough. You also need SKILL, which can ONLY be gained via experience. (Newbie thinks he has innate motorcycle skills)
5. Newbie makes up excuses as to why he is “mature” enough to handle a 600cc bike”. (skill drives motorcycles, not maturity)
6. Newbie, with no knowledge about motorcycles, totally disregards all the advice he asked for in the first place. (which brings us right back to the VERY FIRST point I made about “knowledge of subject matter”).
7. Newbie goes out and buys a R6, CBR, GSX, 6R, etc. Newbie is scared of the power. Being scared of your bike is the LAST thing you want. Newbie gets turned-off to motorcycles, because of fear, and never gets to really experience all the fun that they can really be. Or worse, Newbie gets in a serious accident.
8. The truth of the matter is that Newbie was actually never really looking for serious advice. What he really wanted was validation and / or approval of a choice he was about to make or already had made. When he received real advice instead of validation he became defensive about his ability to handle a modern sport bike as first ride (thus defending the choice he had made). Validation of a poor decision isn’t going to replace scratched bodywork on your bike. It isn’t going put broken bones back together. It isn’t going graft shredded skin back onto your body. It isn’t going to teach you to ride a motorcycle the correct way. However, solid advice from experienced riders, when heeded, can help to avoid some of these issues.
I’m not trying to be harsh. I’m being real. Look all over the net. You’ll see veteran after veteran telling new riders NOT to get a 600cc bike for a first ride. You’ll even see pros saying to start small. Why? Because we hate new riders? Because we don't want others to have cool bikes? Because we want to smash your dreams? Nothing could be further from the truth. The more riders the better (assuming there not squids)! The reason people like me and countless others spend so much time trying to dissuade new riders from 600cc bikes is because we actually care about you. We don't want to see people get hurt. We don't want to see more people die in senseless accidents that could have been totally avoided with a little logic and patients. We want the “sport” to grow in a safe, healthy, and sane way. We want you to be around to ride that R6, CBR600RR, GSX-1000, Habayasu, etc that you desire so badly. However, we just want you to be able to ride it in a safe manner that isn’t going to be a threat to yourself or others. A side note, you may see people on the net and elsewhere saying “600cc bike are OK to start with”. Look a bit deeper when you see this. The vast majority of people making these statements are new riders themselves. If you follow their advice you’ve entered into a situation of the blind leading the blind. This is not something you want to do with motorcycles. You may also hear bike dealers saying that a 600cc is a good starter bike. They are trying to make money off you. Don’t listen.
8. HELP IS ON THE WAY!!!
Speaking of help, this is a great time to plug the MSF (Motorcycle Safety Foundation) course. The MSF course is an AMAZING learning opportunity for new riders. The courses are offered all over the USA. A link for their web site is listed at the bottom of this post (or do a Goggle search and check you local RMV web page.). The MSF course assumes no prior knowledge of motorcycles and teaches the basics of how to ride a bike with out killing yourself (and NO, just because you passed the MSF course it does NOT mean your ready for an R6, GSX, CBR, etc). They provide motorcycles and helmets for the course. It is by far THE BEST way to start a life-long relationship with motorcycles. In some areas if you pass the course your motorcycle license will then be directly mailed to you. This means that you DON’T HAVE TO GO TO THE RMV, AT ALL!!!). That alone should be enough reason to take the course. Also, in some states you will get a discount on your insurance after you’ve taken the course. But wait, there is more! Some manufactures (Honda, Yamaha, etc) offer rebates if you take the course and then buy one of their bikes. Check their web sites / local dealers for details. I can’t plug the MSF course enough. It the best deal going for new riders. Period.
By the way, the short answer to the question, “What should I get for a first bike?” is as follows;
1. First choice, a used bike that is 500cc or under. A new 500cc bike is good, but it would suck if you dropped it. Plus, it will depreciate in value the second you drive off the dealers parking lot…not good when you want to resell it for that brand new R6, GSX600, CBR600, etc.
2. Any used OLDER 600cc sport bike (like 1980’s, early 1990’s).
3. Go here http://www.clarity.net/adam/buying-bike.html for the most compressive guide on “how to buy a used bike” that has ever been written.
Good “sport” type bikes for a first ride are as follows:
Honda: early 1990's Honda F2, F3, F4, 599
Kawasaki: Ninja 250cc, Ninja 500cc, early 1990’s ZX-6E or ZZR600.
Suzuki: GS500E, early 1990’s Katana 600cc, SV650*, SV650s*
Yamaha: early 1990’s Yamaha YZF600R*

*Suzuki’s SV650 and Yamaha’s YZF-600R can be quite a handful for a new rider, but they can also make great bikes.
4. Any other used “standard” style motorcycle.
Also, a GREAT book to check out is “The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Motorcycles, 3rd edition”. The book coves everything from picking out a first bike, simple repair, anatomy of an engine, how to buy a used bike, riding gear, tips for surviving on the road, racing, etc. You can check this book out almost any major bookstore, www.amazon.com, or www.idiotsguides.com MY ADAVICE FOR ANYONE LOOKING TO GET INTO MOTORCYCLES WOULD BE TO BUY THIS BOOK AND READ IT COVER TO COVER ABOUT 2 OR 3 TIMES. AFTER YOU HAVE DONE THAT, THEN TAKE THE MSF COURSE. You’ll go into the course with some great information that will greatly enrich and hasten your learning experience. It will also give you a HUGE advantage on the written test at the conclusion of the MSF course. Trust me on this one, buy the book. At the very least, go hang out at Barnes & Nobel for an afternoon and read as much of the book as you can until they kick you out of the store.
I hope this information was helpful, and feel free to email me with any questions. I haven’t even mentioned riding gear. Get it. Wear it. People who wear a tank top, flip-flops, and shorts while riding don’t look so cool when it comes time for a skin-graft (or when a bee goes up their shorts). There are two types of motorcycle riders: those who have crashed, and those who will. Dress for the crash, not the ride.
A number of people have emailed me recently and asked the following question, (1) “I have ridden a friends street bike a few times, and grew up riding off-road bikes. With this history, would I be OK on a modern 600cc bike?” (2) I’m a bigger person, should I get a larger cc bike to compensate? The answer to both is “No”. Off-road and street riding are totally different worlds. Granted, someone with off-road history knows things like shift patterns, how to use a clutch, etc but the power, weight, and handling of street bikes are a different ball game altogether. As for larger people, additional height or weight does not mean that a bike is going to go “slower” to a degree that would in anyway justify a larger bike. Someone who weighs 250lbs can get themselves in trouble just as fast on a R6 as someone who weighs 150lbs. If you are taller, you’re going to be cramped on almost any sport bike. The best advice is to sit on a number of bikes and see which fits your body the best. Note, this does not mean that you should get a new GSX-750cc as first bike because it fits you better than a 1991 Honda F2 (a much better choice for a first-time rider). Once you got the basics down, then you can go for that better-fitting GSX-750cc, but not beforehand.

-chr|s sedition
Boston, MA
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www.msf-usa.org (web site for the Motorcycle Safety Foundation)

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Chris Sedition said:
welcome to the SBW madness. If you havn't run across this yet, have a read.
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:love: My hero! :thumb:

Chris, you gotta put this into one of the stickies so I can reference it. Every time I come across one of these threads, I think back to the first time you wrote it and think, "Where the hell is that damn thread?"
 

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:love: My hero! :thumb:

Chris, you gotta put this into one of the stickies so I can reference it. Every time I come across one of these threads, I think back to the first time you wrote it and think, "Where the hell is that damn thread?"
DONE! I added it to the "a must read for all new riders" thread. I even got fancy and used some of the bold typeface options! As a side note, to keep that thread on-point, some of the mod's might wanna go through it and parce some of the "yeah, me too" type respones to much more in depth answers or comments.

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Hows it going man? Im right around the corner ( rahway) from you. I started riding last year, and unless you are a super speed junky, a used 600 will be good for atleast a year, besides, if you keep it in decent shape, it doesnt depreciate to much. If you get a bike soon send me a pm and we can ride together, take it easy.
 

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Hows it going man? Im right around the corner ( rahway) from you. I started riding last year, and unless you are a super speed junky, a used 600 will be good for atleast a year, besides, if you keep it in decent shape, it doesnt depreciate to much. If you get a bike soon send me a pm and we can ride together, take it easy.
Have you read the posts??? Let's say he is totally retarded and doesn't take any advice, buys a new 600 or 1k, you want to ride with someone with zero experience on a new bike? Another note: you started riding less than a year ago but in your infinite wisdom you can say a used 600 is good for "at least a year"

:wtf: is wrong with some people?!?!

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Your question is by far the most often asked here (Second one is "How do I wheelie?" third is "How do I fix broken plastics?"). All that said lets start with a few basics.
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Man, I almost fell out my chair.

Not a pro but...Dude, go cheap and pay cash. You will drop it, and your less likely to cry if you paid 2000 or less for the whole thing.

Gear...MSF...License...buy bike. Be safe.
 

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If you're 6'2" you probably need to sit on a few bikes to find out what you're comfortable on. Most bikes don't seem to fit taller riders well.
 

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Look at you.....

Hoopster....you long-legged ripper! You look awfuly comfortable on the Viffer!!!!!:D .......ride safe man and keep the road warm for me....T-minus 5 months and 25 days!;)
 

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SV650

I say SV650 or SV650S, buy used (can still finance if you have to).

I weigh in at 185-195, and am 6'1". I just bought one myself. I can say that for a new rider (I think you said you were a new rider) that this will be plenty of bike for you. It is fast enough to get you in trouble if you want to, but tame enough that you won't get there too easily on accident.

You can always upgrade to the 600 Race Reps later. (I plan on spending the rest of this season on my SV, then reevaluate things later...I still have a lot to learn.)

I'm a new rider myself. I took the MSF course last summer and learned A LOT!

I also recommend buying "A Twist of the Wrist" by keith code. Its about motorcycle racing, but still has a lot of good information for general riding.

Happy Hunting!
 

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Okay here's my 2 cents.

First of all, not everyone drops their first bike. I have not drop any of my sport bikes. I've dropped my dual sport trying to ride up a steep mud hill. Then dropped it probably 30 times over the next 2 hours. :D

Not everyone drops their bikes. Most do but not everyone. Since 96 my ex and I have owned VFR750, YZF600, RC-51, SV650, DRZ-400, XT-225 and my new CBR1000. I have never dropped one other than the DRZ as explained above... KNOCK ON WOOD. I have never crashed on the street but have crash twice racing. My point is that if you pay attention you can keep it upright. Now my ex is a different story. I'm a fairly strong guy so that help. There is no reason that a 6'2" 200+ lb person can't keep the bike upright.

At that size, with the right mentality you can start on a new 600. That is what I would do. The new 600s don't differ in physical size much from the 1000s. Especially for someone that size. Any sportbike is going to feel small.

Used is not a bad idea for most. I'm glad I went with a new VFR as my first but that is not something that I would recommend for most. I just know that my ego doesn't get in the way very often on a motorcycle mainly because I have such a low threshhold for pain. ;)

A person with the right head on their shoulders can start on any motorcycle. An SV650 is a blast to ride even for someone with my weight which is around 250. About any sportbike out there can be alot of fun especially near the mountains.
 

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There is no reason that a 6'2" 200+ lb person can't keep the bike upright.

At that size, with the right mentality you can start on a new 600. That is what I would do. The new 600s don't differ in physical size much from the 1000s. Especially for someone that size. Any sportbike is going to feel small.
I don't think anyone was talking about keeping it upright at a stop sign. Because your 6'2" 200+ doesn't matter much at 50 mph with the rear sliding out because you don't know what your doing. Plus we are talking first bikes here. Sounds like you have had a few bikes including dirtbikes which help. If this is the guys first bike, it sounded like it was, and you are telling him to get a new 600 because YOU haven't crashed??? Most of the members on this board are trying to steer noobs away from getting race replicas which are so popular. Some people are lucky, most people are not. You are very lucky, even though you might put your 1k around like a g-ma, still you are lucky.

So please don't post your totally ignorant thought of a new RR 600 being a good bike for noobs and possible hurt or kill people cause you said what they want to hear and blow off the rest of us as saftey freaks when we really have their best intrests in mind.


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I don't think anyone was talking about keeping it upright at a stop sign. Because your 6'2" 200+ doesn't matter much at 50 mph with the rear sliding out because you don't know what your doing. Plus we are talking first bikes here. Sounds like you have had a few bikes including dirtbikes which help. If this is the guys first bike, it sounded like it was, and you are telling him to get a new 600 because YOU haven't crashed??? Most of the members on this board are trying to steer noobs away from getting race replicas which are so popular. Some people are lucky, most people are not. You are very lucky, even though you might put your 1k around like a g-ma, still you are lucky.

So please don't post your totally ignorant thought of a new RR 600 being a good bike for noobs and possible hurt or kill people cause you said what they want to hear and blow off the rest of us as saftey freaks when we really have their best intrests in mind.


Fuck.

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Let me clear up a couple of things for you.

One, I've been a member and moderator of this site for over 6 years now.

I'm far from ignorant about any aspect of the motorcycling world.

I've got over 100,000 miles of sportbike riding in some of the most difficult mountains roads in the eastern half of the USA. I have several years of experience as a mechanic and crew chief of roadracing teams and did a little bit of club racing myself.

If you will read carefully what I wrote I just wanted to state that it can be done and I know it can be done because I personally started on a VFR750. The dirtbike came in for me after I had ridden the VFR, the YZF and the RC. I bought the DRZ dirtbike with some of the insurance money from my stolen RC.

I get sick of people saying that everyone drops their bike. It isn't true. It happens to most but not everyone. As I stated, I haven't dropped my bike and I haven't wreck a street bike on the street... just on the racetrack.

I also can assure you that I don't tell anyone anything just because I think they want to hear it. The people on here that know me we clear that up for you.

I tell people exactly what I think and it isn't always the norm. I steer most new people away from larger bikes especially if they are younger. People with age and maturity will get a different opinion from me. I typically push people to buy a bike like the SV650 or similar as a starting bike but doing that would have been a mistake for me based on what I wanted. Bet then again there was no SV when I bought the VFR. Had I bought a small 500 Ninja or something similar it would have been a mistake for me.
 

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Just a though for all ya's...re: what John said....

Yep, he's been around for cough**** cough** awhile**cough...:p

All the yrs. we've been on this board, and others..I've never seen him steer anyone wrong. Most of older riders prolly 99.9% never recomend a sportbike as a first bike for a new rider...that doesn't mean some can't learn on one...but IMHO and other people, I believe you can learn to ride safer, and lean more faster on a smaller bike...there are exceptions, but not many.



John...send the check to.......:p

BTW...good ta see ya back...:twofinger
 

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ima have to agree with RCJohn here, i am one of those retarted young people who bought a new 600. but i dont get all bent outta shape when i drop it...and i have...cause i knew what i was getting into. like john i would have not been satisfied with a 500. or anything without the sportbike feel, i have ridden a cruiser and i dont like the sitting position, it makes me feel unsafe. its like sitting sideways on a moving picnic table...i have been on a moving picnic table and i only enjoyed it untill the first corner...lol (the shit you'll tie to the back of a jeep on private property!) i fell on my ass! and like everyone who rides a sportbike i like the rush of the speed (if u own one dont tell me u dont like it, you wouldnt have bought it if u didnt).

now as for the topic of this post, ya the 600's pretty much any year u but will go PLENTY fast for u. u can get a late model 600 in the area 160mph with enough road...now i dont recommend it but you know your goona do it at least once, just to say u did. just do it as safely as possible and be done with it.

and i like being dressed up in all the gear...makes me feel like a superhero when i walk around the grocery store...i am constantly in search of the batsignal....lol
 
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