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FORESTVILLE, Md. - Saying that so-called bullet bikes or crotch rockets are "wreaking a tremendous amount of havoc on our roadways," one Maryland lawmaker says the state should consider banning the motorcycles from street use.
A crash on the Capital Beltway Wednesday night killed two people and left 15 others injured. Police say that the accident happened as they were trying to stop one of these speeding motorcycles.

"They are potential death machines in the wrong hands," says Delegate Bill Bronrott of Montgomery County. "I think we should look at the possibility of saying, 'Hey, these are only intended for recreational use and should be used on race courses rather than on public highways."

Bronrott says Maryland State Police are contacting jurisdictions around the country to see how they handle the motorcycles. He says Maryland needs to investigate whether higher penalties would reduce problems associated with the motorcycles and/or whether laws need to be changed.

"It is definitely worth looking into whether or not we should totally ban these from our public roads or not," Bronrott says.

Police are continuing to investigate the circumstances surrounding the seven-car, chain-reaction crash that closed the Beltway Wednesday night.

It started at about 7 p.m. when a Prince George's County police officer spotted a speeding motorcycle and positioned himself to stop it on the inner loop, police said. The motorcycle rider swerved in front of a civilian car and sped away, causing the officer's car to hit the civilian's.

That car rolled down an embankment onto the outer loop, where five other cars crashed into each other.

Two people in the car that went over the embankment died. Prince George's County Police have identified them as Kevin McCarter, 40, of Ft. Washington, Md. and Sidney Clanton Jr., age unknown, of Buffalo, N.Y.

Two of the injured were police officers. One was flown to a hospital with life-threatening injuries. The other was also hospitalized, but his injuries were not considered life-threatening.

Law enforcement sources tell WTOP the officers involved in the accident had been alerted to a felony in progress, and were given a lookout for the cycle.

Officers are looking for the motorcycle and rider believed to be responsible.

Police say they were chasing a black, high-speed, nimble racing motorcycle.

A video camera in the police cruiser did capture the chase, but police have not provided a more detailed description of the bike, or any license plate information.

The accident and rescue effort caused the highway to be closed in both directions, backing up traffic for miles.

Police are asking anyone with information to call them at 301-772-4710 or 301-731-4422.

My thoughts:

1) A swerving bike CAUSED the police car to crash into a civilian car?? I don't buy it. I'm thinking the officer didn't have control of his car and HE is at fault and HE alone is the reason for the huge pile up resulting in 2 people getting killed.

2) "They are potential death machines in the wrong hands," Um....so are CARS...and um....riding lawn mowers...and um... boats, jet skis, guns, walking in Central Park after dark. Should we ban all that too? Or how about this... Patrick kinked the hose while Dakota took a drink from it. Then, Patrick unkinked it the next thing we saw was water shooting out of Dakota's nose. We all laughed. OH BUT WAIT....that could have drowned him right? That's potentially dangerous..we should ban garden hoses too.


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I'm with you there this is absurd, it's the cops own fault for swerving into somebodies car and everything improperly used is potentially dangerous, I'm sure they already know what a simple box cutter on a plane can do. If they want to really ban everything dangerous for peoples safety then their gonna have to ban atoms cuse you know they're a key component in an atom bomb :D
 

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Yeah I've been involved in a debate about this on another board. This is BS, I'm tired of a bike being blamed because a cop can't control his stuff. This is the exact same thing as with that biker in Florida where the trooper crashed and died. Hey cops right here :finger: !
 

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Here we go again...

....the simple fact is, that the whole thing is a result of an initial, irresponsible behavior, resulting in the duty of law enforcement to act, in response to a request from "concerned citizens"....which unfortunately resulted in the death of several "uninvolved" motorists. That is exactly what happened....all bias aside.

No...banning sportbikes isn't the answer....however riding more responsibly on public highways and streets might be. That's the ONLY way to stop the mainstream outcry for our beloved repli-racers.

I get to see it from both sides. The reality is....sometimes, it's just not pretty. :2cents:

Come on Headlight.:rolleyes:
 

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endleswavz said:
....the simple fact is, that the whole thing is a result of an initial, irresponsible behavior, resulting in the duty of law enforcement to act, in response to a request from "concerned citizens"....which unfortunately resulted in the death of several "uninvolved" motorists. That is exactly what happened....all bias aside.

No...banning sportbikes isn't the answer....however riding more responsibly on public highways and streets might be. That's the ONLY way to stop the mainstream outcry for our beloved repli-racers.

I get to see it from both sides. The reality is....sometimes, it's just not pretty. :2cents:

Come on Headlight.:rolleyes:
I agree, we need to legislate responsibility.

The manufacturers advertising materials indicate that these bikes are intended for expert riders. Perhaps the best control would be to limit them to ONLY expert riders. Which lands us back at the graduated licensing debate, something I am ALL for!!!
 

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Graduated license or not, one day you will probably pin the throttle on a highway................

Now the real test is, if you get caught, are you going to stop or run like the asshats in the story? One reason I have no problem with speed trap cameras on the highways.


Bikes will never be outlawed, just think of the money surrounding them.....
 

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Kevlar7R said:
I agree, we need to legislate responsibility.

The manufacturers advertising materials indicate that these bikes are intended for expert riders. Perhaps the best control would be to limit them to ONLY expert riders. Which lands us back at the graduated licensing debate, something I am ALL for!!!
How can we legislate responsibility? We have drivers licenses yet there are many people that drive without one or on a suspended license. We have seat belt laws yet we still hear of accidents were someone wasn't wearing a seat belt. Personally I'm not for graduated licenses because who's to say that someone limited to a small bike for such a time is actually spending time learning instead of just waiting out the restriction period. That and with the number of "permit only" riders it's not likely that new riders will have the urge to be fully legal and follow the letter of the law saying they have to ride a smaller bike so long before they get to ride the bike they become a rider to ride. The best solution IMHO is either cops don't chase or bikers don't flee, there is already a law that covers this too...it's a felony to flee from a police officer, so much for the law preventing those deaths.
 

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Headlight said:
Yeah I've been involved in a debate about this on another board. This is BS, I'm tired of a bike being blamed because a cop can't control his stuff. This is the exact same thing as with that biker in Florida where the trooper crashed and died. Hey cops right here :finger: !
X2.....pretty stupid.
Radio ahead, retards....
Tire sipikes.
Common procedures.
 

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the wizz said:
I think they should ban bikes on the roads...people don't know how to ride them
Wow, I really hope you're kidding. That's painting us all with a pretty big brush. Just because we're not all track junkies or have that level of training doesn't mean we shouldn't ride. Should cagers go to F1 training to learn how to drive their kids to school too?




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636Jen said:
Wow, I really hope you're kidding. That's painting us all with a pretty big brush. Just because we're not all track junkies or have that level of training doesn't mean we shouldn't ride. Should cagers go to F1 training to learn how to drive their kids to school too?




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nope..not kidding...people don't now how to drive either but at least you have a chance in a car...if it wasn't for the traffic jams accidents cause(bikes & cars) i say screw it, have at it...but the fact is I'm sick of traffic jams!!! So ban the bikes!!!!!
 

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I agree that...yes the bike did cause the officers to try and give chase, however... U can't fit a Crown Vic where a bike goes. You also can't fit a Crown Vic where a Miata or Corvette go either. If these officers were smarter. They would have called ahead and tried to create a road block. No one can outrun or ride Motorola. Public saftey is their foremost concern, and they should be able to recognize a potentially dangerous situation....

Besides, I think the AMA might have something to say about banning bikes...:2cents:
 

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Beltway

I have driver on the Beltway many times, it's 6 lanes wide and surrounds Washington DC. No mater what time of day or night the traffic is always very heavy. Most people drive very aggressive and fast, changing lanes without signaling and for no apparent reason.

When your on a bike you have to ride very offensively and any cop that tries to chase anyone on the beltway for just a minor traffic offence is taking everyone lives in there own hands.
 

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I have no worries about bans.
We have minicars...(smaller than compact cars), compact electric cars, enclosed trikes, scooters, mopeds, electric bikes, wearable vehicles, lEV's ect.... all preparing to enter he roads due to energy prices.
I expect things to change in the opposite direction, as far as vehicle bans/regulations.
 

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Blue Z said:
When your on a bike you have to ride very offensively and any cop that tries to chase anyone on the beltway for just a minor traffic offence is taking everyone lives in there own hands.
Thats nice take away the blame from the moron who broke the law and put it on the cop....
 

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the wizz said:
Thats nice take away the blame from the moron who broke the law and put it on the cop....
"Breaking the Law" could have been 10 mph over the speed limit, right? Why isn't the cop being investigated for manslaughter? I can see if the biker swerved infront of a car and the driver got scared and reacted, slammed on the brakes and there was a pile up. Yes, that would be his fault. But come on....the COP hit another car CAUSING the pile up because he wasn't in control of his car.

Scenario: There is a pedestrian J-walking. A car comes around the corner and doesn't see the person right away, swerves around the walker and hits a hot dog vendor and kills him...who is at fault?

You could argue that it's the pedestrian's fault because if he hadn't been J-walking, the car wouldn't have had to swerve in the first place. You could also argue that it's the driver's fault because a person behind the wheel has to be in control and be aware of his/her surroundings at all times. How can you pin vehicular manslaughter on someone who was walking across the street??


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the wizz said:
...I think they should ban bikes on the roads...people don't know how to ride them...

...people don't now how to drive either but at least you have a chance in a car...
A safe innocent biker should be penalised because f*ckwits can't drive properly???

Honestly, your logic is borderline moronic. :2cents:
 
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