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Now this may be the wrong place to place this, and suzuki's forum may be the wrong place also.... so then where should i put it?

anyhow on to the question.. im torn between the two..

lets here the ups and downs between the two..

sv 650

ups..

great price
(everybody says) its a fun bike,
reliable (im sure)

downs..

smallish rear tire
not many mods can be made
small aftermarket following (exception fairings)
only a 650

ducati monster

ups...

comes in , S4, 750, 900, 620, etc
great handling
its a ducati

downs..

umm.. price
service is expensive
what else..


lets hear it,


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Gixxerboy said:

sv 650

downs..

not many mods can be made
small aftermarket following (exception fairings)
Umm... I wouldn't be too sure about that one. I thought there were plenty of aftermarket items available for the sv, especially since it's a very popular track bike.
 

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My wallet will agree- the aftermarket for SV's is huge!
I've ridden a M900 (2-valver) and was hugely unimpressed. An S4 will cost at least $10K; you can easily put together an $8K SV that'll eat it's lunch.
 

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i went there, i didnt get it..

and about the aftermarket for the sv, maybe i was a little hasty in what i said, let me try and reword it,

i guess i meant for the average consumer.. with the exception of fairings and exhaust, whats else is there.. i guess i just see the host carbon fiber, ohlins gear, etc that come closely knit with ducati,

i posed this question with no biases.. just to see what everybody thought, i sincerely like both bikes.. and have seriously considered buying both..

and 1 thing, i dont really like fairings on the sv, its kinda cool, but i'd leave it naked,

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There are LOTS of aftermarket parts for the SV650. What are you looking for? There are body parts (hugger, undertail, belly pan, lower fairing for the S, mini-fairings for the naked - are you sure you're ready for the constant blast at speed?, lots of carbon fiber if that's what you want), engine mods (oversize cylinders/pistons, cams, etc), mirrors (a necessity for the naked model IMHO), front fork and rear shock upgrades, etc.

The rear tire is smallish, but it matches the bike's cornering capabilities for quick turn-in. There are lots of choices in its size.

I've never ridden a Ducati, but the SV has that 90 degree V-twin engine, a wet clutch, a good chassis, and Suzuki reliability. Only real problem is the front forks. You'll need stiffer springs, thicker oil, and maybe some dampening fixes unless you weigh less than about 160 pounds.

BTW, at 45 you'll wish you were 30, but by 50 you'll just be glad you're not 60. Don't know yet what happens after that.
 

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The wish of "Eating a Monster" on an SV is a common one among owners of the bike,

$8k is a waste of money for an SV, when you could buy a new EX250 and roast the majority of posers riding 916s in the twists.

although an old guy on a M944 who has been part of the marque since the bevel drive SS can catch one out on a new gixxer,

But all other things being equal and removing rider skill, the two bikes are quite different,

Frames,
the SV has a frame similar to the TLs which wasn't that good for the motors output.
the Monster has a frame similar to that of the 851/888,916/996 which has won lotso' WSB titles.

Suspension,
the SV has a budget suspension, with skinny rightside-up forks, and skinny tires.
the Monster 900 has decent suspension, and take offs from 916s can be bolted on cheaply, and if you want a single sided swingarm it is no problem either.

Wheels/tyres,
for the Ducati you can get 916 take offs as well, or you can get those Di-mag carbon wheels and try your luck,

Engines,
Stay away from the liquid cooled Ducatis, they like to break, the air cooled engines have been around forever and will still provide the go, although not as much of it, but a 900 will get more than a 650:drool:

Appearance,
you can decide that for yourself, I think it an easy choice,

Resale,
Motorcycles are not good investments, but there is always that fool that will buy the bike in the ad that says " over $30k to duplicate, best offer over $15 grand, no looky loo's "just 'cause it's a Duc,
older SVs have held their value well as it is cheaper to buy a TLs or SuperHawk,

your question is a good one and I would like to see a stock SV650 against an M620ie on the track, along with a Hawk GT(if any are left stock)


here are some links that may be of use,

http://www.cowin-tech.com/ducati/

http://www.amasuperbike.com/classifieds?wb=showCat&catToShow=a
 

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RayO said:
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BTW, at 45 you'll wish you were 30, but by 50 you'll just be glad you're not 60. Don't know yet what happens after that.

Lookin fwd to it and life! :cool:

thanks for your input.
 

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The wish of "Eating a Monster" on an SV is a common one among owners of the bike,

$8k is a waste of money for an SV, when you could buy a new EX250 and roast the majority of posers riding 916s in the twists.

although an old guy on a M944 who has been part of the marque since the bevel drive SS can catch one out on a new gixxer,

But all other things being equal and removing rider skill, the two bikes are quite different,

Frames,
the SV has a frame similar to the TLs which wasn't that good for the motors output.
the Monster has a frame similar to that of the 851/888,916/996 which has won lotso' WSB titles.

Suspension,
the SV has a budget suspension, with skinny rightside-up forks, and skinny tires.
the Monster 900 has decent suspension, and take offs from 916s can be bolted on cheaply, and if you want a single sided swingarm it is no problem either.

Wheels/tyres,
for the Ducati you can get 916 take offs as well, or you can get those Di-mag carbon wheels and try your luck,

Engines,
Stay away from the liquid cooled Ducatis, they like to break, the air cooled engines have been around forever and will still provide the go, although not as much of it, but a 900 will get more than a 650:drool:

Appearance,
you can decide that for yourself, I think it an easy choice,

Resale,
Motorcycles are not good investments, but there is always that fool that will buy the bike in the ad that says " over $30k to duplicate, best offer over $15 grand, no looky loo's "just 'cause it's a Duc,
older SVs have held their value well as it is cheaper to buy a TLs or SuperHawk,

your question is a good one and I would like to see a stock SV650 against an M620ie on the track, along with a Hawk GT(if any are left stock)


here are some links that may be of use,

http://www.cowin-tech.com/ducati/

http://www.amasuperbike.com/classifieds?wb=showCat&catToShow=a

its kinda of funny, ive considered everything you guys have said, ive thought about this alot.. i wish i had a few thousand more, so i can have both an RC 51 and a duc monster.. if i buy a monster, i will keep it for a long time, as i plan to have a "triqued" out one.. single sided swingarmed monster sounds just gravy right now.. ;)

and the hawk gt is something ive even considered... seen a few under 3 grand, with only 12 thousand or so miles.. course there 12 years old.. we'll have to do some more research on those.. thanks for the websites..

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I don't know about some of the previous comparisons but I do know what a capable SV will do and an $8K SV will not be touched by many bikes. A Superstock SV will run better lap times than a base 916 around most tracks in the SE region with Expert club racers at the controls. An $8K Superbike spec SV doesn't get touched by much at the track and definitely not anything Ducati puts on the street aside from a 998 SP in capable hands. A well sorted 748 could hold its own. There are tracks that the SV will get worked over a little but not that many and definitely when it comes to the tight twisties.

I can't come close to the speed through technical twisties on my RC-51(Supersport race prepped) as compared to my wife's completely stock SV650. If I had the money to upgrade the suspension and race prep it then that is what I would race.

In defense of the Monster Ducs they are capable street bikes and do have a good aftermarket plus carry alot of style. On the street it is the rider anyway so if the bike is even marginal but has a good rider then the performance on the street will not matter. The single sided swingarm does look good on them. :cool:

When it comes to opened up, high speed, high horsepower sweepers then the SVs and the smaller Monsters are going to get left behind. The big Monsters can hold their own in those situations.
 

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The older SS was better, alot more comfortable,

I don't know why they had to give it the same seating position as the 916, it is sooo uncomfortable, and not fast enough to justify the comfort, I think they also got out of hand with the styling.

The SS frame is based on that of the TT2 600 racer of the late 70s/early 80s and past models despite revisions have come up with cracks in the frame with hard use,

an early 900 monster with a good history and as little modifications as possible would be a good buy and I have seen them in the low $5k dollar range with all the CF stuff already on, and the 6 speed box is an improvement over the 5 on the smaller engines,
 

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The older SS was better, alot more comfortable,

I don't know why they had to give it the same seating position as the 916, it is sooo uncomfortable, and not fast enough to justify the comfort, I think they also got out of hand with the styling.

I totally agree. I loved the look of the old SS. Beautiful bikes. :cool:
 

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If you can afford it (the payments and the maintenance), get the Duc. The SV is inexpensive, dependable and kinda agile, but when i rode one, i felt like i was riding something inexpensive, dependable . . . kinda like my Mom's old Chevy. True it can be modded and made into a great track bike, but it sounds like you're looking for something for the street. I used to own a Duc 900 SS, which has a great deal in common with the Monster 900, and i never got tired of riding it or bored in the middle of a ride. What's the point of having a bike if it's not exciting to ride ??

One other point of interest . . . since Suzuki classified the SV as a "Sport Street" machine, insurance for my SV cost almost as much as the insurance for my Duc.
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Lt.Gustl said:
The older SS was better, alot more comfortable,

I don't know why they had to give it the same seating position as the 916, it is sooo uncomfortable, and not fast enough to justify the comfort, I think they also got out of hand with the styling.

The SS frame is based on that of the TT2 600 racer of the late 70s/early 80s and past models despite revisions have come up with cracks in the frame with hard use,

an early 900 monster with a good history and as little modifications as possible would be a good buy and I have seen them in the low $5k dollar range with all the CF stuff already on, and the 6 speed box is an improvement over the 5 on the smaller engines,
that naked race 900ss is great, im not a big fan of them wit the headlight.. but maybe with some piaas on the front..
 

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hey guys!

ive got this great deal, i just want him to bend in price a little more on an m900, its got all this extra carbon fiber, new btx something rubber, some slip ons, i cant remember, stage 2 jet kit, its a 96, wit/ only 12 ooo K on it.. he asked 5400, went to 4900, can i push more out of hiM? i offered 4 but he didnt agree... nex ti offered 4400, hope he agrees... what do you guys think of the m900 of this year? is it a good bike?

pros and cons?

he added a small tach which i dint knwo it didnt have one.. think i can add a newer style guage cluster? it has the old choke style wher eyou pull the knob..

can you guys distinguish a 96 m900 versus a 2000,2001 per say?

thanks..i think ima buy it, 900 cc versus an SV 650? :D
 

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Lt.Gustl said:
The older SS was better, alot more comfortable,

I don't know why they had to give it the same seating position as the 916, it is sooo uncomfortable, and not fast enough to justify the comfort, I think they also got out of hand with the styling.

The SS frame is based on that of the TT2 600 racer of the late 70s/early 80s and past models despite revisions have come up with cracks in the frame with hard use, ...
The older model may have been a bit easier on the ergos, but the fuel injected motors are a nice improvement for overall rideability. The frames haven't been a problem since the newer SS was introduced. Styling? To each his own on that point.

That's an interesting race Monster pic you posted. Almost like a naked 916 with an air-cooled motor.
 

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That's an interesting race Monster pic you posted. Almost like a naked 916 with an air-cooled motor.

Beautiful, just Beautiful, i say, especially the pipes really slanted like, i wish all exhaust came like that.. r1's kinda come like that, the new 954 kinda come like that.. i dont like them when they drag low like a road hog.. :D :D

great pic
 
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