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drgreenthum said:

As for a 500 beating a 600 or a liter through some twisties, I'd like to see that bike (race bikes excluded) The only one I have ridden couldnt drive off the corners hard enough to keep up. I thought that was the whole point of starting off a guy with something small was so he couldnt get a drive off the corner hard enough to spin his tires or lift the front tire or otherwise get him in trouble.

Perhaps I am uneducated about the small bikes. Which one did you say beat you through some twisties.:twofinger
Well, this :twofinger did it for me. Here goes.:) Pay attention newbies.;)

Apparently you ARE uneducated about those smaller bikes. I do it EVERY day I take my daughters EX-500 out on our 500+ mile, twisty, day ride. If it's a ride where the twisties seldom will handle over 110 MPH corner speed and few straights or riders willing to do more than 110 on those straights, as our mountain rides are, the best riders will keep up, the rest will be left in the dust. Ever hear of carrying speed into the corner? Dint' think so. If you've got a 600 or litre, a lot of +110 sweepers and straights, you'll win.... if there's enough of them.;) Otherwise, holding it to 110 and less, hang tight, stay smooth, and if you're pretty good you'll be in the hunt.;) And that's a stock EX-500, stock exhaust, stock rider complete with original gray hair, and weighing in at about 200#.:eek: I wouldn't want less than the 500 for this purpose but it's enough.

I get REALLY tired of the posts that treat those bikes as less than what they are by riders who know less than what they think. How many times I've had riders say at a stop, "Gheez, you're running 130 and I can't keep up!" NO, you're running a hundred thirty trying to catch up... on the straights. That 500 strains its milk to do any more than 110. With enough practice, they'll eventually be able to do it.;)

And that's STOCK. Those stock tires like to slide when ridden that hard.... especially the front.... right up to the apex where you pick up the throttle, bring it in, and GO! I've started to rework the suspension and mounted up some good rubber now. They really respond well to those mods, making them even more fun, and affording a sound bed of basic knowledge and feel that's hard to arrive at if you've never felt one less than optimum. Knowledge and feel that's useable forever, on your eventual latest, greatest.

The few really good riders know what it's about and enjoy the fun in it all. The really good ones could also do the same thing. They also have a LOT of seat time, getting to their level. They also won't make snide remarks about your smaller bike. Neither will the litre beater, throttle twister, jaw jockies.... after you SPANK THEM SILLY!

Why do you suppose AMA races have lap times so similar between the 600's and the 1000's? Many of the same riders, good riders! The small difference is only because of the straights. Why do you suppose Loudon has good riders on EX-500's running damn near the track record? Not many high speed straights on that track is why.

Newbies, get the smaller bike and ride it for a long time. You'll learn more in a shorter amount of time than on the bigger bikes PLUS, when you've really learned how to ride, it's SO much fun to spank them silly if they've given you any cause.:) Also, you only get better the longer you ride. 36 years at it and still improving!;)

Going back and riding that smaller bike is an absolute hoot every now and again, in case you couldn't tell. I could live with it as my only bike.... well, with the reworked suspension and decent rubber, please.:thumb: :D Riding it that hard, into the range where the suspension wallows and the OEM tires are starting to slide demands a lot of attention.:D Thankfully, when you get there, there's things you can do about it and learn about that stuff, too.
 

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mstrand_68 said:
Really just seeing a 75 year old on a sportbike and not a goldwing would make my day, but seeing a 75 year old on a sportbike with a 20 year old on the back, well that's a kodak moment.:twofinger

-M-
... no, that's his grandaughter. :D

Got to LOVE Smitty! Lets you know there's plenty to look forward to.:thumb:
 

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Dad said:

Why do you suppose AMA races have lap times so similar between the 600's and the 1000's? Many of the same riders, good riders! The small difference is only because of the straights. Why do you suppose Loudon has good riders on EX-500's running damn near the track record? Not many high speed straights on that track is why.
For those of you that follow Pro MX, last year James Stewart was turining lap times on a 125 that was only beaten by Charmichael and Reed riding 250s. It's the rider.
 

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Dad said:
... How many times I've had riders say at a stop, "Gheez, you're running 130 and I can't keep up!" NO, you're running a hundred thirty trying to catch up...


That's gold!
 

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Dad, are you going to get to Kentucky any time soon?

I have several beers to buy you and want the opportunity to ride with you as well. :)
 

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Sindic said:
Dad, are you going to get to Kentucky any time soon?

I have several beers to buy you and want the opportunity to ride with you as well. :)
Most of our riding is WV although not much below 33 except those few overnighters we do each year. We usually get down to at least 60. Nothing to say you couldn't join us for one of those. Hotel somewhere along I-79 somewhere, Clarksburg or a little south. Let me know if you're interested. Always a good bunch on those rides.
 

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Well, I need to schedule my vacation time after the first of the year. How close to Huntington? I'll send you a PM and maybe try to coordinate something.

Also: I may start a new thread for this, but I'm going to plan a trip to the Gap in March or so, was wondering if I could get a group together from here to go?
 

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nice post Dad.

I have only been riding for 6 years so i dont have alot of experience on the "little bikes" but when are you used to riding something heavier they dont seem confidence inspiring, and like you said they come with fairly hard tires.

In the end my point was still to get guys to stop bashing newbies for getting 600's becasue they are "too much" for them. When the looks of the 250/500 are not up to par in IMO.

As for the negative comment to vash that I was j/k. As I said earlier a newbie isnt going to be racing the thing he is going to be learning on it.
 

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Im sorry I dont think anybody could beat the guy telling me he held in his front brake to get his to come down from a wheelie, later he couldnt even do a wheelie! :rolleyes:
 

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When I started, I saved up for a year and in that year I did my homework. There are a lot of differences between old and new 600cc bikes that most noobs don't appreciate. They want a 1000cc or bigger bike cause it has more power, but you can't learn shit off of that. The only bike I ever drove before my cbr was my neighbor's 125cc honda dirt bike and that was fast as hell.

Even before I bought my bike , I was so anxious that I bought full leathers, helmet and gloves three months before I got the bike. I thought the best thing about sports bike was the overall look of the rider and the bike (specially in full leathers and matchin helmet). I didn't consider anything under 600cc because I didn't like the look. They didn't look sporty or nice. I loved the fat rear tire look too and you really don't see that much on 500cc or less bikes. I try to wear full leathers most of the time, but since its winter, I'm wearing gortex gear now.

I'm a nice guy and I've learned a lot through experience and research. I've read a lot of what you guys have posted and made decisions on your guys advice. I was almost about to get a 2003 gixxer 1000, but I know I'll never be able to take it to the max. I don't practice much leaning as Raleigh sucks. I try to pass on what I've learned to other new riders telling them the pro's and cons to noobs. I may not be an experience rider, but I'm not exactly a noob anymore either. So far, I've taught 8 of my friends on my cbr600 so far and I'll continue to give free lessons to show people that motorcycles aren't scary (5 of them being women ;) ), and that its actually easy and fun. No one taught me how to ride, I learned by myself and the only wreck I've been in was the deer collision.

The best part about me and the bike is when my friends try to convince their parents that a motorcycle is ok:
parents - "I don't want you driving a motorcycle around, you could hit something and get hurt, even dying"
friend - "well my friend jeff hit a deer on his bike going 55mph and he didn't get a scratch on him"
parents - "well... i still don't like motorcycles"
 

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JBaz said:
..."well my friend jeff hit a deer on his bike going 55mph and he didn't get a scratch on him"...
The problem with that argument is that people have died in lesser accidents.

Don't get me wrong. I think it's great that you're "spreading the love". I just think it may be a bit dangerous for your friends to think that they'll be fine in any accident that's not as bad as a deer at 55.

You don't want them to become complacent, that's all. :2cents:
 
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