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I cant read shit on this page except the numbers.. and they pretty much tell the story.. Yamaha rules :twofinger
 

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Over_Dose said:
I cant read shit on this page except the numbers.. and they pretty much tell the story.. Yamaha rules :twofinger

Are you sure?
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http://www.998r.info/Berichte/1000erTestPS2004Klein.pdf


Tension is mounting. Reason we are about to test the R1 before its official presentation in Australia against rivals CBR1000RR, ZX10R and the GSXR1000. We got this opportunity because someone was willing to lend his R1. On one condition to use it only on the track outside of public roads. No problem since only at the track you can test these bikes to their limit. So of we go to the south of Spain, with a load of Michelin Pilot Power and a mobile Dyno at hand. The test will be conducted together with colleagues from Spain, France, Italy and Japan. We were a little worried if the R1 would be there but it was.

Two hours later we start warming up the bikes. First the CBR1000RR, when sat on you notice that the Honda not only power wise is much sportier. The seating position is also much sportier than the old one, low clip-ons, seat close to the tank. It is much like Rossi’s RCV perfectly balanced, on a modern racing bike you sit on not in the bike. After 2 warming up laps we go off! From the first meters it is confidence inspiring, there is nothing which makes you loose your concentration. Well almost nothing there is a slight play in the transmission which combined with the very direct throttle response is a little unnerving the others do this better. The radial brakes are perfect lots of feel. The suspension is comfortable but not too soft, more towards street riding then track biased. The forks makes sure the front wheel stays planted under acceleration and when it lifts there is the steering damper to settle it down. Owners of older Blades could only dream of this. However when it comes to handling the old one was a little better. The CBR1000 needs a little more body work to change direction. It feels very neutral and stable. Markus Barth mentions: it is very neutral, brakes are very good but the handling is little lacking and the direct throttle response is not nice, also at the top of the rev range it feels very flat, something you will also notice on the normal roads, it is lacking a bit of aggression at the top of the rev range.

Then the GSXR1000. It is clear that this is still a very capable bike, very nice throttle response. Power from the middle of the rev range straight to the top. Class act, a very smooth throttle which still is one the best. It is the same as the Honda in terms of feel sit on and feel good. Only you sit in it rather than on and it does not feel as compact as the Honda. The fairing is very good, easy to get behind offering the best windprotection. The brakes have changed instead of four pads now there is only two, after prolonged braking on the track they start to fade, not bad but annoying. The frame is unchanged and it is still very good. It feels a little heavier when throwing around, not that is bad, just in this company it’s clear that there 1000 that can do better. This can be down to the longest wheelbase but also when changing tyres we notice that the wheels feel quite heavy.

Then it is time for the R1 which officially shouldn’t be here. It looks the most European, with lots of attention for detail like a chromed ring around the rev counter. The clip-ons are little higher than on the old one. The seat is 2 centimeters closer to the steering head as well. The seating position is nice and sporty. When the starter button is pushed there is a revelation: an R1 that makes noise, nice noise in a kind of gentlemen’s racers sort of way. Exhaust suppliers are going to have bad times on this one. The R1 also has a steering damper standard like the GSXR and as the old R1 it needs it. You can now fling it around without being afraid. The stability under braking is very good since the rear wheel stays planted. They engine is fantastic the way it pulls way up to the 14.000 rpm limit. The GSXR feels a little liver in this rev range. The brakes feel the same as on the old one although it has a radials now they still lack bite.

How a dream brake should work is something the ZX10R shows. Clear defined feel, enormous bite, needing only very little pressure. Markus Barth mentions: this is a real race brake no need to change anything. And the chassis is fantastic. The suspension is on the stiff side. It is very sensible both the road imperfections but also to changes in the settings. Normal riders will also find the ZX10R a revelation, no other 1000 stings so sharp into turns and is so controllable getting out. It goes exactly where the rider wants it to go. The other 1000’s handle very good but the ZX10R is in its own league. Not quite a 600 but almost there. Based on its size it is almost like its little sister the ZX6R, just as compact. Just like the ZX6RR it has an anti hopping clutch which operates perfect. The rave review continues with the engine when Markus Barth is loss for words it just means it is perfect. It has the broadest usable powerband of all 1000’s. It seems as though the GSXR has found its master. Below and in the middle of the range it feels just as good and strong and from 6000 rpm it fires away until the limiter cuts in. The Ram air seems to work very well to, on the straight the CBR1000 could only follow the ZX10R but could not overtake.
So there it is, if the ZX10R can hold its own the streets, or if the lack of the steering damper will cause much problems, what the top speed of these bikes is will be cleared in the second part of this test next month.

Conlusion:
It couldn’t have come better for Kawasaki. The radical change from the ZX9R away from compromises and touring. The ZX10R continues were the ZX6R left off. Fantastic chassis, brilliant brakes, wonderful engine, fantastic handling. It means victory in this class. But it is very close as you can see, since the GSXR and the CBR are only one point apart. The R1 is last here but actually the also the fourth winner.
 

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Are you sure?
(different article and translation)

http://www.998r.info/Berichte/1000erTestPS2004Klein.pdf

Conlusion:
It couldn’t have come better for Kawasaki. The radical change from the ZX9R away from compromises and touring. The ZX10R continues were the ZX6R left off. Fantastic chassis, brilliant brakes, wonderful engine, fantastic handling. It means victory in this class. But it is very close as you can see, since the GSXR and the CBR are only one point apart. The R1 is last here but actually the also the fourth winner.
yeah.. Ive read 3 different articles and they all pick a different bike. im looking forward to seeing some US comparo's. The bottom line is that we are all getting better machines thanks to the competitive market. Personally, I think that Kaw is ugly. I cant get used to the front end of it and no one even mentions that it has the absolute worst gauges ever made. How do you even see that Led in the sun when you're pinning that throttle. I like what they did with the rotors and offering an all black bike. I am also happy to see them make a competitive liter bike but my money is going to be spent on the the trusted tunning forks. I was disappointed in my last Honda so they dropped a notch in my book last season. On a race related subject.. my boy Rossi is at the Helm on a Yammy.. its gonna be a fun year!
 

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yeah.. Ive read 3 different articles and they all pick a different bike. .. its gonna be a fun year!
I agree. :thumb:

I don't know what's the funniest:

1.Hearing people argue about which bike is better (even if they've never ridden any of them)

2. Hearing people point to a magazine review to prove their point.

3. Hearing people point to race results to prove which streetbike is better (the ZX-7R crowd does that alot)

4. People who only read peak hp numbers on the dyno and never look at torque #s (or how smooth the curves are)

5. People who don't have enough riding ability to take an EX500 to the limit trashing Liter bikes for being "slow".


With all the magazine subscriptions I have, I'm sure I can make a collection where all 4 bikes are judged the winner one way or another.
 

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sinister988 said:
I agree. :thumb:

I don't know what's the funniest:

1.Hearing people argue about which bike is better (even if they've never ridden any of them)

2. Hearing people point to a magazine review to prove their point.

3. Hearing people point to race results to prove which streetbike is better (the ZX-7R crowd does that alot)

4. People who only read peak hp numbers on the dyno and never look at torque #s (or how smooth the curves are)

5. People who don't have enough riding ability to take an EX500 to the limit trashing Liter bikes for being "slow".


With all the magazine subscriptions I have, I'm sure I can make a collection where all 4 bikes are judged the winner one way or another.
Yup.. it's just like when you see people on these big liter bikes or a 18000 dollar ducati.. they have an 800 dollar helmet, 1000 leathers, every aftermarket accessory made for thier bike and than you look that the back tire and they are almost 2 inches of tread on each side of the tire that has never seen pavement... I never say anything when they are talking shit.. I just smile and nod.. yep.. you're da man :rolleyes:
 

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I agree. :thumb:

I don't know what's the funniest:
Ditto Darlin... totally agree :thumb:

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Ditto Darlin... totally agree :thumb:

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I just noticed your signature .. speeddivas? cumming soon? That will be a small group.. lol :twofinger
 

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I just noticed your signature .. speeddivas? cumming soon? That will be a small group.. lol :twofinger
boy you're slow that's been there for a long time :p

and who says small isn't a good thing;)

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Yup.. it's just like when you see people on these big liter bikes or a 18000 dollar ducati.. they have an 800 dollar helmet, 1000 leathers, every aftermarket accessory made for thier bike and than you look that the back tire and they are almost 2 inches of tread on each side of the tire that has never seen pavement... I never say anything when they are talking shit.. I just smile and nod.. yep.. you're da man :rolleyes:

Hey JT that sounds familiar! Glad to see Redline back!!!!
 

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Yup.. it's just like when you see people on these big liter bikes or a 18000 dollar ducati.. they have an 800 dollar helmet, 1000 leathers, every aftermarket accessory made for thier bike and than you look that the back tire and they are almost 2 inches of tread on each side of the tire that has never seen pavement... I never say anything when they are talking shit.. I just smile and nod.. yep.. you're da man :rolleyes:
Don't get me started....lol
 

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Don't get me started....lol
Like the guy you mentioned a while ago who drives his duc in the back of his truck every where, then unloads it for show and never rides it. Is he still doing that, or did he finally just get rid of the bike since he's not riding it ever?
 

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nice numbers....:thumb:
 

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nice numbers....:thumb:
impressive. Its like my 02 after I dumped 4500 into it. 25 hp increase or so from the 02-3 stock
 

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nice numbers....:thumb:
impressive. Its like my 02 after I dumped 4500 into it. 25 hp increase or so from the 02-3 stock
 

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impressive. Its like my 02 after I dumped 4500 into it. 25 hp increase or so from the 02-3 stock
Looks just like my gixxer after dumping $0.00 into it :D
 

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Looks just like my gixxer after dumping $0.00 into it :D
maybe you havent been paying attention... the 04 yammy has more HP stock.

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damn gixxers.. this makes me happy deep inside where no one can see
 

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But the ZX-10R has more yet - not as much as the 'Zuk below 8 grand, but above it, see ya.

I think the Kawi is a cam-degree session away from beating the Gixxer down low and matching it on top.

Let's see how the R1 handles.


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But the ZX-10R has more yet - not as much as the 'Zuk below 8 grand, but above it, see ya.

I think the Kawi is a cam-degree session away from beating the Gixxer down low and matching it on top.

Let's see how the R1 handles.


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ive read that the kaw has the strongest motor but at this point.. you have to pick the best overall for your taste because they are so close
 
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