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Well, there you go then ya caaants. Who had money down that it would happen before the season started ? ....

What a top weekend ... as always ... it is amazing ... your life can be full of far far FAR too much of the typical shit that the wankers of the world shove up your arse and down your throat ... but start up the R, exit pit lane ..... and by the time your going into the second turn it is all forgotten .... what drugs would you need to take to get that sort of freedom and escapisim.

But .... to the crash watson. Basically I was having one of the slowest days ... the session was a right custard tart(see my bitch at the end of thread) .. and then there I was, barrelling down into turn 12 .. speed unknown but just clicked up into 4th .. and there's an RC51 down past the crest off line, and not turned in .... and in the famous statements of all people that crash ... all looked good .... I stayed on line, went for the apex ... and so did the 'onda .. oww FARK .... too late to brake .. too late to pray .. to late for a last wank ... so tried to tighten it up more .. and more .. and more ... but that 'onda was still coming across ....

For a fraction of a second it looked like god was present, watching and looking out for us, cause I get to the apex ... and 'onda is close ... FARKIN close .. but he's back ovber my right shoulder and no longer in view ... and just as my brain goes .... FARK .. that was close ... 'onda smacks into the exhaust .....

I would love to tell you all what happend next ... there was a decent smack as the bikes came together ... mine lifted a bit .. and then ... it got dark .....

The next clear memory was I was sliding ... then quickly barrel rolling .. and I thought, well my arms are by my chest, so best keep then there ... and my eyes were closed ... so I thought it best just to leave it like that too ...and then just relaxed until I stopped ... which seemed to take a while .. and a while .. and a while.

Post race summary was ... I was ok. Scratch on the elbow, some lovely bruised on leg and arm. The R got of incredibly easily with a broken gear lever, scratcher engine cover ... and that really is a about it.

The 'onda was still ridable and the pilot got off light as well ... so considering it was t12 ... all things considering ... I would say luck was present and at attention.
 

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Trackdays and conduct ...

Firstly .... I'll go away and have a quiet word with myself .... the above is called a 'racing incident'. Which means .... all participants go out on the track ... and accept the risks this involves.... and should incidents occur ... blame is left in the pits.

Trackday or not, moments will occur when riders get out of there comfort zones ... and things happen.... and that is why we all do it as this is how we learn to ride better. Usually ... it's just a great story ... but every now and then .. it's a gravel visit, crash ... or the worst .. someone gets hurt.

It might be farken ironic to be involved in a crash and then go and give some lip .... but what the fark ... when have I ever been PC and quiet of mouth.

Over the Sat and Sun just been, my observation would be there are a much higher number of guys out there now that are considerably faster than the previous years I've been wobbling around. There are also just the same number of guys that are not .... but unlike the past where they are either lone rangers, or locomation trains in line ...which are all easy to avoid ... what I saw this weekend really stood out, and frankly was cause for concern.

So, to any of the caants that were there that are reading this, and that this applies to .... pay attention.

When you practice martial arts, you enter the practice hall, not to do battle with those there, but with yourself. They are not the enemy, nor are they passive. They are actively involved, giving themselves so that you can practice your skill and better yourself, and as such deserve great respect .. hence all the bowing you see before entering a dojo, before and after a fight.

I would say, given the risks involved.... we need to start fostering the same appreciation and respect for every single person that goes out of pit lane. This applies not just to the fast and experienced guys, but to the slow guys just as much. You are entering a world you do not know, it is your duty to find out before you either get hurt, or you hurt someone ... I don't know half of what I should but I'm trying to learn it ... but in the meantime ... I use some FARKIN COMMON SENSE !!

Some things may not be obvious stupid, like stopping at the side of the track for your mates to catch up ... but others like:

1. Doing 100kph down the back straight with your mate on the otherside of the track, making signals to each other ...
2. As above, but straight out of turn two ...
3. Coming out of the pits, not looking as you enter the track .. and pulling out over the racing line ....

... they are just plain stupid, and show a complete disregard for the safety of others ... and therefore a complete lack of respect. No quarter should be given, and fark em, no quarter will be from me anymore.

So, hence forward, I'll have a quiet word with our mates up north that do a top job of putting on these events, and we will do our bit to try to sort some of this shit out .... and ... I'm going to form the Pit Bull Farkers ... who's members will be big ugly bastids (like BP), and who's job will be to find people as above, and given the risk they pose in terms of dollars damage not to mention risk of life .. they will be severly beaten for said behaviour at future events.

But ... should you see someone doing something stupid, YOU owe it to him, and all the other riders other there, to point out to him just how stupid it was and the consequences.
 

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I saw the aftermath of the Honda...nothing much.... Just scratches mainly and a clutch lever that is broken into a third...

The mate you had a collision with is a chap staying in my block...just bumped into him downstairs and asked him how the track day was and he said that he bumped an SBR lad called Dave on an R1.

His first crash and yours....

Sorry to her about the spill.

Nice pics anyways...

Cheers
 

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Well seeing as how i'm involved already

Thanks Legend.

You should know better !!! After all this time you should know better than to try riding "on the pace" with new guys on the track! bearing in mind
A/ You were once in their shoes and didn;t have a clue.
B/ You've seen what can happen before.

Having said that ..stopping on a track is the most stupid thing and should be banned unless
A/ you break down
B/ you crash
C/ Nil's Mrs is lying spread eagled naked at turn 4

You've been here long enough to know the Sing mentality that " i've paid my money so can do what i like lah"
I don,t think talking to them and pointing out their short falls ( especially in front of their mates) will do anything but get you abuse and or a fight.
As you guys are regular users of the Sepang facilities and support the MSS you should approach the organisers and complain. I'm sure if done right and the safety aspect is nailed they'll listen.

Try and see it from the Sing newbie perspective and mentality. They've spent loadsa wonga on bike and gear and have been winding up their mates/ girls about how good they are. They've got nerves and adrenelin oozing out of every hole.

The organisers will have to instigate an orientation course.
As i mentioned in the Nik of Time post about Zolder in Belgium.
First time there on an open track day you had to take a 30 min orientation course whether you had a full licence or not. This unfortunately means that the track session is 30 mins shorter for everybody, but safety increases no end! It's a choice!!!!!
Spliiting the track doesn;t work either as only old duffers like me are happy to just enjoy the track at any pace. The Sing guys will see it as their pride getting kicked and won;t come which in turn means you'll just get the same few riders and not enough revenue for the circuit ( how PG is still open at 25 sing an hour is beyond me)


Don;t get me wrong Ledge, your get off sucks and i'm well chuffed you will read this from the comfort of a chair rather than a hospital bed but the whole thing bares remarkable resemblance to a lot of SBR stuff. Apart from MSS spearheaded by BC's efforts, we all know the best way forward and the do's and don'ts but nobody ever does fark all about it! SO get off yer arse and start a petition or some form of letter to Sepang Jeff. You have my support and undoubtidly the support of all there on SAT/SUN

Failing that count me in on the formation of the Legend revenge death squad :twofinger
 

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ANd on a lighter note

Can you teach me to go that slow and look that good even though i'm ugly ( didn't go unoticed):finger:
 

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bigphil said:

You've been here long enough to know the Sing mentality that " i've paid my money so can do what i like lah"
I don,t think talking to them and pointing out their short falls ( especially in front of their mates) will do anything but get you abuse and or a fight.

Try and see it from the Sing newbie perspective and mentality. They've spent loadsa wonga on bike and gear and have been winding up their mates/ girls about how good they are. They've got nerves and adrenelin oozing out of every hole.

The Sing guys will see it as their pride getting kicked and won;t come which in turn means you'll just get the same few riders and not enough revenue for the circuit ( how PG is still open at 25 sing an hour is beyond me)

BP...you are spot on.... but it is impossible to get the change in their mindsets.... this mindset of "cannot lose, always must win" is already integrated into their heads... it is seen in very aspect of their lives...much worse in the biking side.... the threat will always be there...what can SIC do? You conduct orientation sessions and these chaps will not turn up because they see it as "waste money". You talk to them, they ask you who the fark you think you are(as you mentioned...pride issue). Basically it is a battle where victory is never to be seen as the "enemy" continously will appear and also evolve. All these buggers just go out there to have their ride and boast of timings. I have heard of those who go out there and clock their timings on their first ride on the track. Farked up!! I see it on the Singaporebikes Forum all the time. They see the track as a battle ground to beat others even before they learn how to choose their lines. What can be done? These mindsets are hard to break. They will always be there on the track and taking them out one by one is a neverending task for the Death Brigade To Riders Who Are Carnts.
 

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Spillage

For a horrible minute, I thought the new italian red rocket had been scratched!!!

Have to agree that your looking much improved on style there Ledge.... those last couple of snaps are looking the bizz
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mospeda said:
the moment ya singaporean, ya born squid.....save yourself guys
Hahahah ... this is just TOO funny. Nice !! ...

But, before we get too heated ... this is not an anti local post. It applies to all riders, and I have to say I only struck one rider with the 'can not be passed' mentality ... and to be honest ... I'm quite sure Colin Edwards sees things exactly the same way, so lets not be too quick to judge the Kingasoap mentality, it might be a good thing.

I can remember my track sessions with clarity. Mostly cause of the piss taking I got from you caaants, but the memory of the grin is still there, and again, it is not the new trackday man I'm talking about either ..... he is the 'lone ranger' I mentioned .... the guy that sticks out as the newbie and can easily be avoided ....

No .. the caants stupid twats I'm talking about have probably been there half a dozen times .... and are of medium pace .. and still stop to wait for mates, ride side by side out of turns 9 and 14, and make hand signals to each other .... what complete caants.

The organisers can do some basic 'what to do and what not to' .. which we really need to look into ..but I'm talking also more about internal controls .... kind of like you a see at a major surf beach when stupid caants turn up and ignore the rules by dropping down into someone elses path.... I'm not promoting violence or abuse ... but turn turn the other cheek on this is just too dangerous ... these lads need a word before they get themself hurt, and others.
 

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WOLVERINE II said:
I saw the aftermath of the Honda...nothing much.... Just scratches mainly and a clutch lever that is broken into a third...

The mate you had a collision with is a chap staying in my block...just bumped into him downstairs and asked him how the track day was and he said that he bumped an SBR lad called Dave on an R1.

His first crash and yours....

Sorry to her about the spill.

Nice pics anyways...

Cheers
Thanks for this bum fluff....

I managed to catch up with the lad and offer my half of the apology, but never got to see his bike. Glad to hear it got of as light we did..... and a top bloke to go with it.....

Please note, he is not one of the twats that I'm refering to in this post.
 

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Anti local

I don't mean to sound anti local but am just pointing out the mentality. If it had of been anyone else you could have easily walked up to them and had your say and even offered to take em out for a few laps if they wanted.
There's no way no how "these" kinda guys want to here what they are doing wrong and especially not from an "ang Mo"

It's just the way it is.
Going to the organisers will be seen as stabbing them in the back as well but it may well prevent this kinda thing happening again.

Some people need protecting from them selves!!!!!!!!:cool:
 

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I don't mean to sound anti local ....
Never mate .. not you .... this would be far to limited a description ....

You are anti-every-a-caaant :twofinger :twofinger
 

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Legend said:
Firstly .... I'll go away and have a quiet word with myself .... the above is called a 'racing incident'.
First, off it wasnt a race so you as many before have done took a liberty and were lucky.
Second, there are two sides to every story and the other side is you took him out because there wasnt room for two twats with too much ambition and too little ability (imortal words from BC,)
Third, despite the photographic evidence you are still erratic and a long way from having a farking clue what your doing.

Been there:squid: get off your high horse and face facts, you made a bad desision, learn from it and move on.

There have always been muppets at the track, the first two I met were founding members of the club who couldnt negotiate the pit lane with out running into some farker:eek: You wont chage the situation because you/we cant be arsed and it wouldnt be right., The best thing about riding in Asia is there are no rules. Ask Gixxer Dave since hes seen both sides, its fun but there is a price. Would you be happy if there were organised groups and dayglow orange vests ala Europe ????
 

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Legend said:
Hahahah ... this is just TOO funny. Nice !! ...

But, before we get too heated ... this is not an anti local post. It applies to all riders, and I have to say I only struck one rider with the 'can not be passed' mentality ... and to be honest ... I'm quite sure Colin Edwards sees things exactly the same way, so lets not be too quick to judge the Kingasoap mentality, it might be a good thing.

no worries, aint talking about anti watever.....its juz a fact that local have the worst mindset when comes to riding...

to them, perhaps Asian, including me ...everything have a purpose...which is to win and make sure that ya a league above everyone else...

:crying:


its never an ezy task to tell this locals wats right wats wrong...

People accept "whats right" as long as this doesn't interfere with their will and interests

take a peep at sillyporebikes.com......its juz so silly:D
 

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The best thing about riding in Asia is there are no rules. Ask Gixxer Dave since hes seen both sides, its fun but there is a price. Would you be happy if there were organised groups and dayglow orange vests ala Europe ????

About the first thing you've said all year that makes any sense Tug :twofinger but it's oh so true.

A simple example of this over here is the difference between an open race practice day, where it's everyman for himself and a mix of superbikes, 125/250 GP's and 400/600 production guys who regularly cut each other up, as compared to an organised ride day where there are fairly strict rules on wheelies and in extreme cases, even on passing on the inside??? How else do you do it? :confused:

The comments on attitude confuse me though??? I understand that there are asian riders with a win or die trying type attitude, but we have plenty of these types too and I think you'll find the same in in all cultures to some degree.

You guys have it good for sure (apart from the bush turkeys and locals crossing the track on the way home from Kmart!!!) the thing is you can pick and choose what level of risk you are preparred to take. Like anything though, there is always the chance that some bonehead is going to take you out when you least expect it.

But I don't think anyone here is keen on the only other option, as sitting at home wrapped in cotton wool might get kinda boring ;)
 
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