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Hi guys i am new to this board, and i dont have a bike yet, but i have already saved almost half the money. i plan on buying a 97-98 f3 or a 97- yzf600r, anyways i have been reading alot on countersteering and braking and all that other good stuff and i am sort of confused about leaning and countersteering. I know its probably somthing i will understand better when i finally get to ride, but are countersteering and leaning two different operations, or does your lean angle come from the countersteer? Some good feedback on this would really help clear things up for me while i sit here till next june in agonizing pain waiting to get my fist bike.:crying:
 

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WElcome to the boardz..

K..leaning, and countersteering...to make it simple...ever ride a bicycle..? if yes, then when ya turn a bicycle at higher speeds, ya leaned a bit, and countersteered..it's about the only way on a m/c that your able to turn...It may seem confusing now, but once you get a bike, and ride..you'll see..nothing magical, or mystifing about it..lean, push right, to go left, ands visa versa..:D
 

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Perhaps I'm not following what you're saying but don't you mean push right to go right? (ie: push the right clip-on forward to go right)

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TAKE A TRAINING COURSE
I think it's MSF for you south of the border folks. It'll teach you lots and if you do f&%k up it's on their bikes so you don't have to worry about scratching your baby girl.

Good luck
 

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Get one of the books like Proficient Motorcycling. They do a good job of explaining it. When you push on the right clipon the bike turns left momentarily, this causes the bike to fall to the right which makes turning easier. Most people countersteer naturally and alot never realize that they are doing it.
 

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October SportRider issue

October issue of Sportrider has a big article in the back on Countersteering vs. Leaning.

Check it out and good luck!:D
 

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Get one of the books like Proficient Motorcycling. They do a good job of explaining it. When you push on the right clipon the bike turns left momentarily, this causes the bike to fall to the right which makes turning easier. Most people countersteer naturally and alot never realize that they are doing it.
And it is those who aren't aware of the concept wonder why they couldn't move the bike out of the way fast enough, when avoiding a sudden obstacle.

Take the MSF before getting on any bike...they explain all of that. And as someone else said, if you mess up, it isn't your bike you'll scratch!

Also, taking the MSF class generally exempts you from having to take the DMV's road course...which I hear is a pain. And most insurance companies offer a discount for MSF grads.
 

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So much like riding a bicycle at high speed.

Friend of mine had to quit m/cing back in '52 to bring up a family. Decided to get back to riding in late 80s & was confused about this "countersteering" he was reading in the m/c mag till he was back on his 'used' m/c for lst time & realized he had been doing this from his early yrs before WWII & during WWII when on a bicycle.
No one though of this word "countersteering" when we rode m/cs immediately after WWII ---- it just came natural to all of us that rode bicycles in prior yrs.
 

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Excellet point here for newbies.

This friend of mine started riding m/cs as soon as he came over to Cdn (from the UK) in 1945 on a 98cc, then a 125 & finally up to a 350cc AJS 4-stroke single then had to give up to support a family.
Back to riding in late 80s with a used 400CC twin & by next yr bought a good 'used' BMW & later a NEW 1000cc Beemer-----here is a rider with experience that even when he went back to riding with experience to feel out what it was like to ride again on a sort of guttless used 400. At 76 yrs of age he is still riding & in his complete life has never had a m/c accident or a cage accident. A rider with the OLD SCHOOL OF LEARNING being a step by step in time!!!!!!
 

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so basically, the harder you countersteer the greater the leanangle, or is leanangle also affected by speed, meaning if you ride through a turn several times at diferent speeds does your leanangle become lower since you have more force being put on you.
 

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Basically the more you lean off the bike, the more straight up and down the bike can be whilst cornering. if you can keep the bike more vertical at the same cornering speed, you will have more room to lean before you start dragging hard parts, and therefore more speed through the corner.

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do you have a maisto (or whatever the brand name is) plastic motorcycle like the rest of us? if not get one. jeez, catch up. :)

if so grab the bars between your thumb and index finger.

now make it go straight. now use your ring finger to keep the back wheel straight and use your thumb and index finger to turn the wheel while continuing with your arm the forward moment of the toy.

notice that if you turn it to the left, the toy wants to fall right? keep playing until you do, or your significant other seeing you. :D

what this shows you is the physics that make a single-track two-wheeled motorcycle turn. the input to the bars makes bike want to fall to the opposite side you turn the bars to (i.e turn left, fall right). but if you push on the right bar (turning the wheel to the left, bike goes left). make sense?

lean is what makes the motorcycle turn.

the msf course will explain this to you.

also, search for "no bs" and "countersteering" on www.roadracingworld.com
then try looking around www.superbikeschool.com

btw, ever think about buying a smaller, easier to ride bike that you could afford sooner, rather than later. just a thought, but most people crash their first bike. do you want something you worked so hard to get on its side?

rf600's are all over the place for next to nothing compared to the yzf and f3. the zx6's (non-r's). gpz550? anyway, enough preaching.
 

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Lean / angle countersteering

The motor cycle turns by leaning , u get it to lean by countersteering, it comes naturally to u after 1 or 2 turns no prob
whether u lean less than the bike or more than the bike affects
the point at which the thing slides out if you are operating at the traction limit . .. For those who don't believe check the mile
dirt track footage in ON ANY SUNDAY they force the bike down to
start the slide at the corner entrance & set it up & lean in to
stop the slide at the corner exit . very difficult. but they are not just trying to look cool they knew something.

To learn you just keep getting up
BillTeller
 

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Lean / angle countersteering

The motor cycle turns by leaning , u get it to lean by countersteering, it comes naturally to u after 1 or 2 turns no prob
whether u lean less than the bike or more than the bike affects
the point at which the thing slides out if you are operating at the traction limit . .. For those who don't believe check the mile
dirt track footage in ON ANY SUNDAY they force the bike down to
start the slide at the corner entrance & set it up & lean in to
stop the slide at the corner exit . very difficult. but they are not just trying to look cool they knew something.

To learn you just keep getting up
BillTeller
 

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Lean / angle countersteering

The motor cycle turns by leaning , u get it to lean by countersteering, it comes naturally to u after 1 or 2 turns no prob
whether u lean less than the bike or more than the bike affects
the point at which the thing slides out if you are operating at the traction limit . .. For those who don't believe check the mile
dirt track footage in ON ANY SUNDAY they force the bike down to
start the slide at the corner entrance & set it up & lean in to
stop the slide at the corner exit . very difficult. but they are not just trying to look cool they knew something.

To learn you just keep getting up
BillTeller
 

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Lean / angle countersteering

The motor cycle turns by leaning , u get it to lean by countersteering, it comes naturally to u after 1 or 2 turns no prob
whether u lean less than the bike or more than the bike affects
the point at which the thing slides out if you are operating at the traction limit . .. For those who don't believe check the mile
dirt track footage in ON ANY SUNDAY they force the bike down to
start the slide at the corner entrance & set it up & lean in to
stop the slide at the corner exit .

To learn you just keep getting up
BillTeller
 
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