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Should we have stiffer licensing procedures ?

  • Yes. Take a course,then there should be a tiered licensing system.

    Votes: 78 27.5%
  • No. It is my right to buy any bike I choose.

    Votes: 79 27.8%
  • Yes. They should make the licence include an MSF course.

    Votes: 127 44.7%

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I think that everyone should take the MSF course. I just got done taking it and learned a lot. They teach you a lot of stuff so that you can make proper decision when the time comes.

Highly recommend the class.
 

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Even the MSF won't stop the problems associated with the new super bikes. There should be a max. horsepower/ size that a new riders should be allowed to ride. Will this stop the idiots, of course not.... you can't legislate intelligence, but it'll be a start.
 

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RCjohn said:
I think that formal training should be a prerequisite to owning a motorcycle.
Yeah... and you should... uh... uh... have to get the training FIRST!

Actually, I'm not so sure that a tiered system similar to one I've heard exists in Europe would be a bad idea. You progress through HP classes with some kind of time or experience limits before you are allowed to step up.

The best part of that would be... we could keep all of the really fast stuff just for us older guys!
 
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Dad said:
Actually, I'm not so sure that a tiered system similar to one I've heard exists in Europe would be a bad idea. You progress through HP classes with some kind of time or experience limits before you are allowed to step up.
I agree also, but I don't think it will happen in the US....


The best part of that would be... we could keep all of the really fast stuff just for us older guys!
LOL!
 

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I also think that there should be a tiered licensing system. Although I am sure that I wouldn't feel this way if I didn't already have my license (and I jumped right to a 750cc road bike from many years on dirt bikes), I really think it would be a good idea. I think that they have gone way over board in the UK with starting off on a 33 hp machine (I think that in many instances 33 hp would be more dangerous than 133 hp- not enough power to get you out of trouble). I think that one should take a test, then do at least a year on a 250cc machine or less. Then take another test, and do at least a year on a 600cc machine or less. Then take another test to ride whatever they want. At least this way a rider will have a minimum of two years of experience before getting on something like a 'Busa. Maybe one more step would be a good idea too (250-400-600). I don't know. It just scares me that somebody who doesn't really know the clutch lever from the brake lever yet can jump on something like a 'Busa right off the bat.
 

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Washington state had tiered endorsements for awhile. I believe they were: 1 -under 500, 2 -500-750 and 3 -750 and above. They stopped it not too long ago. Now, you can test on a 125 and ride anything you want.

I never claimed to be from the smartest state.

I went through the MSF course. They also have an advanced course I plan to take. I think everyone should.
 

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(snip). I don't know. It just scares me that somebody who doesn't really know the clutch lever from the brake lever yet can jump on something like a 'Busa right off the bat.
what's scarier is that people do. people will buy a goldwing or big twin harley with no experience at all (or 30 years away from bikes).
 

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Yes, a course should be mandatory. It used to be here in Quebec, back when I finally decided to go legit and got my bike license. The thing is that they were given by private companies, so the content, and the quality of the courses varied a lot. In fact, when I had to take mine, Ididn't even take it. I paid, showed up for the first night (on my GSZXR-750), and they told us all to go in the parking lot and practice on their LTD 250s. Well, I went out on one, and proceded to do figure eights scraping the pegs the whole way round each arc. It was night, so the sparks coming off the pegs looked pretty cool. Anyway, the instructor called me over and said that I was wasting my time, and that he would sign off for my 18 hours theory and parking lot stuff, and my 22 on the road. All I did was go back for the last class when they had the parking lot set up just like the test would be so I would know what I was going to have to do. The drag was that I showed up on my Gixxer again, and got nailed for ridng without a license on the way home ($250). That was the first time I ever got nailed for that (when I started riding on the street, the cops didn't even care if you had a bike license- a car license was good enough, but that had changed, and that's why I decided to get my bike license finally), and I had my appointment for my test the next morning (almost exactly 12 hours from when I got stopped). The cop was cool, though, he could have impounded my bike, but he let me ride it home anyway.
 

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Let us LEARN....

Not only do I feel a "pre-endorsement" course is VITAL, I strongly feel "WE" all need to take skill enhancment courses throughout our entire Riding Lives/Careers. I've always felt that "WE" can never know enough, or ever stop learning new and better Riding techniques/skills. There are so many GREAT courses available out there and they are all out there for a REASON! I just wish they were more affordable for those who can't fork out a grand, two, three, or even up to four grand with all the costs that are required to meet the course requirements. :( I am a well "seasoned" rider, but I am learning new skills/techniques ALL the time! The absolute most important thing (with all due respect!) that new/"old" riders need to understand and practice religiously are Common Sense (of course) but I think most of all is RESPECT! Respect for ourselves, our machines, our abilities, and Others out on the road. And certainly INTENSE AWARENESS of the totally UNaware "IDIOTS" :mad: out there that have NO respect/awareness for other motorists, be it Motorcyclists, or those who prefer four tires under them. Learn, Practice, Learn, Practice, and when your done Learning and Practicing... LEARN AND PRACTICE MORE...! Something definitely has to be done to not only HELP, but PROTECT these "Fresh Virgins" coming into this fantastic and wonderful sport FOR US, as well as FROM THEMSELVES! I sincerely and respectfully wish ALL of you the very BEST! God bless, protect, and watch over all of us! ENJOY!!! :D
 

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There should be tiered licensing for motorcycles and autos. Especially autos.
SUV and mini vans should need a commercial passenger endorsement. Passenger cars should be rated by horse power, if you pass the driving requirements to buy a high performance auto then you should be allowed to drive them. You shouldn't be able to buy a 385 hp 170 mph car just because you can afford it.

All licensed drivers should have to ride a motorcycle first, for at least a year or two.
 

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I guess I'm the black sheep...........

Let me say this first: I agree that training and education is good for everyone. Some people need it more than others. Some people are naturally adept at handling machines, others are not. But everyone needs to have their intellect sharpened by either classes, experience, or both.
I do not agree that anything said previously should be required. I personally hate it when the government holds our hands and tries to run our lives. When getting a license, you prove that you have the necessary skills to handle your bike. (excluding roadracing riding styles). The rules of the road are the same for cages and bikes. The problem is, for some people, that they try to go beyond their limits and they get into trouble.
But I think that the biggest problem is that the people do insensible things that they know they should not do. Like speed down the road at 150 on the shoulder and other such hooliganism. They know better than this stuff already, yet certain people will do it anyway.
I agree that safety courses are fine and dandy, I personally have had no training, and I do fine. I'm certainly not a squid, and my head is mature and sensible. But, if you try to start to require this and that, people are going to rebel, pay no attention, and not get anything out of it. And I darn sure don't want anybody telling me that so and so bike is too big for you sonny. No thank you.
And for transportation purposes, a Dodge Viper or a Volkswagon Bug are both cars that can safely be driven by the same person without special training. There is no need for special training for high powered cars when the limits of the road are the same across the board. Neither the govt nor an independant is going to train a Viper owner to tear up the public roadways. Some of the people who buy these cars have the wrong intent behind it, like racing on the street, and that attitude is where the problem is.
 

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I don't like Big Brother squeezing me either, but somtheing needs to be done about all these damn autos.
Maybe I should give up and leave California. :p
 

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WHOAHHHH! Have the Safety Nazis brainwashed all you guys? Give them an inch of regulation and they will surely legislate us out of existance!
I'm no expert on the Hurt report, but I do recall that alcohol and unliscenced riders are very well represented in motorcycling deaths. These people will be totally unaffected by any more regulation.
 

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Tristan said:
WHOAHHHH! Have the Safety Nazis brainwashed all you guys? Give them an inch of regulation and they will surely legislate us out of existance!
I'm no expert on the Hurt report, but I do recall that alcohol and unliscenced riders are very well represented in motorcycling deaths. These people will be totally unaffected by any more regulation.

Well put.
 

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I think that all riders need training before hopping on a bike for the first time. I just got my first bike but I took the MSF course first. I'm not sure about making laws to require it, but they sure could do some things to encourage people to take the classes. First off they need more places to take the classes. Too many times the classes are full and who wants to wait for months to take a class so you can get a bike. Secondly, the manufacturers and dealers need to push training. The dealers should have posters up about MSF courses and the only manufacturer that I remember seeing that was pushing training was Harley Davidson with their Riders Edge program which is a MSF course. It just really irks me when I hear about 16 year old kids that get a 600 Ninja as a first motorcycle. That is just an accident waiting to happen. I would think it might be sensible to have some kind of restriction on the kind of bike that a minor with no training should be allowed to ride.
 
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