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Well I had the pleasure of getting to race my buddies GSX-R 1000 vers a local Hayabusa. The Busa was modified with a full exhaust, power commander, and 3 teeth down in the front. The gixxer was bone stock.

We did it from a roll at about 25mph. The first race I jumped on him in the gixxer and held a 2 bike lead till we hit 3rd and he started to pull on me. When I went to fourth he pulled about 2 bike lenghts ahead. I missed the 3rd-4th shift so this may have had something to do with it. But I was very surprised this modded busa didn't pull harder. The second race was a little more even and he pulled slightly and won by about the same amount. He stopped racing when he hit the redline in 6th, and the gixxer was only at the top of 5th, at an indicated 185, so since he was down in gearing he deffinitly lost top end.

All in all it was a great race, and I had a blast. The fastest I've ever been on a bike, or anything for that mattter. If your wondering why I was racing my freinds bike, its cause me and the busa driver were the same weight and size. My buddie is about 50#s heavier, and he lost by alot more because of that.

And before I get any remarks about safety and the such. This was out in the middle of no where on the edge of town, a brand new road that is used for garbage trucks ( so no traffic on sunday morning). We were out there at about 8am. Both of us had on leathers, boots, helmet, and many people to watch for cars. So it was safe as possible.
 

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Sounds like a good race...You said you were at 185 MPH at the end of 5th? Sounds pretty odd if the Gixxer is stock. Thats some pretty bad speedo error.
 

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Sounds to me like there is something wrong with that Busa. If it was down a couple teeth on the front sprocket it'd crush a stock 1000 in a roll on. A stock Busa (ridden correctly) is about .25 sec. quicker in the quarter than a stock 1000. Stock for stock theres approx a 10hp diff, and about 25 ft lbs of torque advantage for the Busa (yes kiddies, that's a bunch). Next thing is the 1000 is restricted to 176 mph while a Busa isn't...unless it's a 2001, their nuetered at 187.I realize there's the speedo error thingy, my Busa still pulls like hell when you peg the speedo (185)...My guess is that the PC2 map needs a little tweeking. Now if this was in MAJOR twisties, the Busa wouldn't stand a chance, but on a straight line run...:p Dunno, guess I'm going to have to take my stock geared, bolt-on exhaust, yosh remapped slow pig Busa out and kick some gixxer 1000 booty!...or maybe not:angry:

ps. this was not written by apex... :rolleyes:

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Mr. apex.....owner of the fastest Busa, ..on my street anyway:D :D
 

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Sounds to me like you had your ass handed to you twice.
Well it dosen't really matter to me, for one the gixxers not my bike, I just happened to be a good rider that was the right weight. And second, I'd be pretty proud if it was my bike, he didn't walk away from me, and he was modded and the gixxer wasn't. If the gixxer had a pipe and power commander, I'm pretty confident it would have won. Not too bad for being down 300cc, aerodynamics, and a few mods.
 

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Well it dosen't really matter to me, for one the gixxers not my bike, I just happened to be a good rider that was the right weight. And second, I'd be pretty proud if it was my bike, he didn't walk away from me, and he was modded and the gixxer wasn't. If the gixxer had a pipe and power commander, I'm pretty confident it would have won. Not too bad for being down 300cc, aerodynamics, and a few mods.
lets try to remember that the Busa has a longer wheel base and is more than 100lbs heavier than the gixxer1000, I think comparing the two by drag racing is pointless:)
 

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Next thing is the 1000 is restricted to 176 mph while a Busa isn't...
Where did you hear the 1000 is restricted to 176, I've hit an indicated 185 and still pulling when it was bone stock.
 
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Sounds to me like you had your ass handed to you twice. :)
"It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, as long as you win"

:barf: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

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Well I had the pleasure of getting to race my buddies GSX-R 1000 vers a local Hayabusa. The Busa was modified with a full exhaust, power commander, and 3 teeth down in the front. The gixxer was bone stock.

We did it from a roll at about 25mph. ........
Why did you guys do a rolling start? I don't see the point in that.

That was an interesting match up though. I would have to agree with Mr. Apex as a modded Busa as you described would EASILY walk away from any stock bike, including the ZX12R. Most especially a lowly GSXR1000! :) Hell! A STOCK Busa will walk away from a stock GSXR1000 anyday. Oh well. Maybe one of the mags will do an interesting comparo between the two bikes.
 

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The point of the race was, there is alot of speculation among people on which one was faster. We are filming a video like Las Vegas Extrems, and just happen to have both bikes there at the same time. I have since talked to a freind and found out the busa only had a can, and not the full exhaust system. The guy is also planning on going back to stock gearing because of how much it hurts his top end.

Why did you guys do a rolling start? I don't see the point in that.
We did a rolling start because it wasn't my bike, and I wasn't used to the bike. I didn't want my inability to launch to effect the outcome. We weren't there to see who was a better rider, we wanted to match the bikes.

The guy who owned the gixxer and the busa already raced at another time and the busa won by a much greater margin. Our point yesterday was to see what the outcome would be with riders of the same weight because the gixxer owner is 50#s heavier than me.
 

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Joebud, forget where I saw that the 1000 is restricted. Was probably at SuzukiHaybusa.org. But, just because your speedo shows 185 doesn't mean you're going 185, probably closer to 165. Point a radar gun at it or put a GPS on it. Look at all the tests in ANY mag. They're all showing about 176-178mph and are usually done with radar. I'm curious, let me know if you're rev limiter kicks in a little earlier than normal when you're in 6th gear....bet it does!;) ;) Mine starts about 10.8k rpm in 6th I think, usually a little too busy to be lookin at the tach at those speeds. Pretty easy/inexpensive fix, gotta trick the ECU into thinking that it's in 5th, not 6th. But it's too freakin fast as it is!:D My Busa hates me, it's always tryin to kill me!:angry: Next thing is aerodynamics play a HUGE role at those speeds, and a gixxer 1000 just isn't slippery enough to be going 190-200mph with "only??" 143hp even if it was unrestricted. This is the same reason why a ZX-12R that makes an average of 10hp (165) more than a Busa is actually not as fast at top speed. Don't get me wrong, the 1000 is an incredible machine, I almost bought one instead of the Busa and sometimes wish I had, but the Busa fit me a little better and the idea of having the fastest bike ever etc.etc......and they're sooooooo cute!:p :p Use that bike what it's for, being the one of the all time best handling, fastest, quickest machines that ever was......just don't think that you're gonna get past a Busa or a ZX12 when those curves straighten out a little....ok, a lot:) :)

Here's what I've done to mine so far:
Micron bolt-ons.....(Total pieces of chit)
BMC air filter
Yosh Box remap
154.7 hp on a Dynojet 150

Air box mod, Timing Retard Eliminator (TRE), PC2 and full exhaust are next.... or maybe I should just loose 20lbs. 'Course I know of a guy with a turbo who's getting just over 400hp out of his Busa, 5th gear wheelies at 160mph WITHOUT clutching it up....hmmmm. Naaaa, I don't think apex would let me do that.

Later,
Mr. apex :)
 

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luckyguy19 said:
This was out in the middle of no where on the edge of town, a brand new road that is used for garbage trucks ( so no traffic on sunday morning).
was this on paseo del vulcan? i was out there one evening about sunset, i stoped to smoke a cancer stick and saw 7 sheriffs in about 15 minutes.:eek: in the morning is probably safer, but they definately know about that spot.
 

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We actually had a sheriff out there holding the traffic for us. It wasn't planned by it was a girl, and one of the guys was flirting with her, and she asked them to do wheelies for her. She said she knew what we were gonna do that we might as well not have to worry about traffic. It also depends on whether your north or south of central, on the north side is the westside jail, so alot of cops frequent that side, we were about 2 miles south of central. Not much traffic at all out that way :)
 

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We actually had a sheriff out there holding the traffic for us. It wasn't planned by it was a girl, and one of the guys was flirting with her, and she asked them to do wheelies for her. She said she knew what we were gonna do that we might as well not have to worry about traffic. It also depends on whether your north or south of central, on the north side is the westside jail, so alot of cops frequent that side, we were about 2 miles south of central. Not much traffic at all out that way :)
i was out at the south end where it dead ends and meets Rio Bravo. now that you mention it mabye they were just doing laps waiting for other bikes to show up and put on a decent show for them.:D
 

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Joebud, forget where I saw that the 1000 is restricted. Was probably at SuzukiHaybusa.org. But, just because your speedo shows 185 doesn't mean you're going 185, probably closer to 165. Point a radar gun at it or put a GPS on it. Look at all the tests in ANY mag. They're all showing about 176-178mph and are usually done with radar
Apex, I know about the speedo error, but the bike thinks it's going 185. i don't think the error is 20 mph. My buddy's GPS read 178 at an indicated 186. i agree busas are much more aerodynamic that the 1000 but they weight 100 pounds less. I too had a hard time deciding which one to buy. I also know about the TRE but have not done that mod yet.

:D :cool:
 
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