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(sorry for english):rolleyes:
 

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Bike looks very good & offers one a good riding position as well for in town riding, if one does not want the extreme lean forward position of most sportbikes.
 

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I like the crazy things over the dash... Looks like a space-age version of the monster.

Can we get a few more pics?
 

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Sorry, but don't call Raptor a "different version" of Monster because only the designer is the same, but the rest of the bike is complete different; you can find about 800 tuned Cagiva Raptor on my "home" www.raptormania.it, where many of us prepares raptors for track and 2 guys having a ROADSTER CUP (Naked Trophy) with good results against the newest TUONO - TNT - XB12 - GUZZI V11 and MONSTERS.
 

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I mean no offence. Its just that we are used to jap bikes here in the states, and the italian style looks exotic. Since the most heard about italian bike is the duc, I cant help but think of them when I see other pasta rockets.
 

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Oh yeah Vash, sorry for my english, i dont't mean offensive, i've just talking about technical propertyes of CAGIVA vs DUCATI, there is no problem in your writing :D

And you call italian streetfighters PASTA? hahahahaha very intresting word. Pasta is Italian yeah!

I'm very like the italian design however i dont understand why ducati engines gives more hp only in the more expensive versions of TESTASTRETTA 998cc .

If you want HP from ducati you need to spend a lot of euros.

If you want only Ducati Signature on the fuel tank you cant buy all commercial versions of Monster, but they dont have power.

V-Raptor have TL-S engine, no problems, no mistakes, you can destroy throttle and go a 11.500 rpm without problem and walking on a 6th gear a 40 km/h. This is the "very" power of japanese engines.
I think when italians products engines like suzuki or kawasaki, i will RUN VERY FAST to buy new italian bike with a very italian engine. :thumb:
 

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Ducati engines puzzle me as well. When I was first getting into sportbike, the ducati monster was my bike of choice. Alas, finances and questionably reliability moved me to get a kawi. But thats a different story.
After reading page after page of ducati propaganda talking about the advantages of the desmo engine something wasnt fitting right. According to ducati, the elimination of valve springs should result in greater HP because some of it isnt lost on the springs, and higher redline because there is no valva float problem. This all makes sence in theory, but how come ducati engines have lower red lines and lower HP figures than the jap counterparts? (I suspect its due to the complicated valve train)

I've met a rider on a cogiva about a year ago. I'm not sure the model, but it looked very simular to a ducati multistrada. I have no reason to believe that the rider knew what he was talking about, but according to him, the cogiva and the multistrada are virtually the same tank, with only minor differences. Something about cogiva making bikes that are later rebadged to be ducatis. Again, I have no particular faith in that rider.
 

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About jap vs duc engines we can probably write for years...

About Cagiva and Ducati design we can spend millions of words...

But I think the reality is: i've bought Cagiva V1000 because design and the feed tath transmit to me, and i'm very happy to ride since year 2000 upon Cagiva bike.
When i tryed ducati monster s4r i've found very special suspension and brakes, and the best engine we can find on a street bike. But the price is too:finger:

Cagiva have a great suzu engine, good about suspensions, so so about breakes, but with not too much euro, i've modified breakes, suspension and i have bought exausts and airbox kit to implement erogation and power.

Now with the same price i've "special" bike very tuned. With the same euros i've only a "normal" s4r duc.

However bikes are passion, and i dont want to say Cagiva is better or ducati is better, i think my bike is better because i've choose it!!! Is not important wich bike is it, is the your.;)
 

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Agreed.

Its really too bad that the TL got so much bad rep, since it seemed to have been a great bike. The engine is phenominal too, and contributes greatly to the success of the SV series.

As for prices, well thats the economics of the world. Here a jap liter bike runs $11k. The bare version of the 999 lists for $18k. One can argue all day long about how much better the ducati is, but its still hard to justify the price.
Of course, in europe I imagine the ducati is actually cheaper than the jap bikes..
 

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No.

ducati is expensive in europe (more than americas) and is very much expensive in Italy:finger:
 

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Welcome to SBW. Always great to exchange thoughts with riders from all over the world. The passion always comes out the same.:thumb: :)
 

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Then obviously Rad you have put good money into a bike not as costly as a Duke, yet with the modifications you have carried out, you have a bike to your liking & handles so well. That is great thinking upon your part. So my compliments.
 

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Infact, i0ve bought bike at 5000 euros in 2002, bike was 2k model, with 3500 kilometers of usage.

This is the list of modifyes:

fork springs and oil: 90,00 €
total airbox modification from 7,5 to 10 litres: handmade :D
exhausts racing system from GPR (used): 280 €
adjustable rear suspension: 190 €
rear fork leverages: 40 €
all plastic parts changed with carbon parts: about 350 €
front brakes pads racing: 100 €
K&N air filter with racing carburation: 35 € + 40 €
Seat Racing Modification: handmade :D

With less of 1000 euros i have a very good racing look and very very good agility and stability, like a monster s4r.

This is the reason why i think the Duc are too expensive, even you buy the base (620 dark) model to make tuning.
 
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