[Spitfire]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Aril, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pete:
Dittos to what Will said.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same here.

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[Pete]

DISCLAIMER (for GreenNinja) : I think I heard this story correctly on the radio this morning.

A Florida woman, who had worked exhaustively to get the helmet law repealed in her state, died recently in a motorcycle accident. She was not wearing a helmet, and the report stated that had she been wearing one, it is likely that she would have survived.

Anyone have a more factual account of this story?


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Pete
"Ultimately, most problems can be solved by applying a large brick to the correct skull. Difficulties arise when you don't have a brick or can't find the the right skull. The Devil is always in the details."

 

[Group23]

I did this on another site. I also saw that alcohol was involved.

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[arif CBRF4]

here is the link to the complete story:
http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/08/01/nohelmet.death.ap/index.html

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arif

 

[SpeedPhreak]

well here choice to drink & ride was her biggest mistake in my opinion.. then the fact that she didnt have the helmet on... but she died making choices & that is what america is about.. our right to choose.

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[#2f4]

IF..she is "somewhere" thinking about things right now...do you think she regrets her decision ? ( of no helmet,..and drinking )
in Wash. we have a helmet law, and if we had a choice, i wouldn't even think about going out with out one !

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[youngrider_250]

its sad really to hear anybody died, even if it was their own fault. would she be considered a martyr for her death?...i thought not. it wouldn't make sense if she was. btw, i doubt alcohol has affected her system that much to affect her riding. but her not having a helmet was a big no-no.

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[RedNinja]

Well you made a big BAD assumption there young....
It only takes a couple o' beers (like 2 or 3) to affect your ability to ride....

Here it is real simple:
Drinking and Riding don't mix ever!

Nuff said

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Will Darton
Sportbikeworld Co-Admin
http://azsportbike.net
99ZX-6e

 

[Pete]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Aril, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by youngrider_250:
i doubt alcohol has affected her system that much to affect her riding.

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How can you say that when you don't know how much she drank or what her BAC was? Or do you know?

Dittos to what Will said.


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Pete
"Ultimately, most problems can be solved by applying a large brick to the correct skull. Difficulties arise when you don't have a brick or can't find the the right skull. The Devil is always in the details."

[This message has been edited by Pete (edited August 02, 2000).]

 

[RedNinja]

You know I've been thinking about this over the last three hours, and I feel like I need to add something to this:

While I'm and Administrator and I generally try and remain nuetral on subjects and people at Sportbikeworld.com, I feel compelled to speak my mind on this thread.

I'm greatly sorry to hear about the loss of another rider (sportbike or other). It saddens me every day to hear about someone dying because that means one less representative for our "Clan".

However what saddens me more is people who believe the things like youngrider mentioned. "Oh just one beer won't kill me", or "I'm just going to the store, I don't need my helmet, jeans, gloves, boots, etc." These people are the ones that we ultimately hear about dying or being paralyzed and/or maimed, because they didn't truly understand how their actions would affect them and the people around them. While ultimately it is they and their families that suffer the most, other riders suffer too...Usually monetarily, because statistics are what causes our insurance premiums to increase.

There's no doubt that education, training and a certain mentality/maturity about riding are absolutely required to even get near a motorcycle. If any of the three are lacking, there will ultimately be an accident and maybe even death.

On a side note, To Youngrider_250:
You don't know how relieved I was to hear that you opted not to get a ZX-11. From what I have read here by you, I personally don't feel that you need to be riding anything other than what you have. Your obvious lack of knowledge about bikes and alcohol and its affect on the rider lead me to believe that you still need a few years to "Figure it out".
Sorry if that offends you, just my .02

Sorry for the rambling, but I feel better.

My sympathies to the riders friends and families.

Will

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Will Darton
Sportbikeworld Co-Admin
http://azsportbike.net
99ZX-6e

 

[Pete]

Well said, Will.

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Pete
"Ultimately, most problems can be solved by applying a large brick to the correct skull. Difficulties arise when you don't have a brick or can't find the the right skull. The Devil is always in the details."

 

[Sui-tzu]

Anyone operating anything other than a bicycle while under the influence is a major threat to everyone and everything around them - and the less of them on the road, the better. I'm just glad this rider didn't hit some pedestrians, etc...

-Sui

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"The woodman does more by skill than by brute force; by skill the pilot guides his storm-tossed barque over the sea, and so by skill one driver can beat another."

 

[SpeedPhreak]

actually sui- there was a drunk that used to ride around on his bike here. pretty funny most of the time.. but i saw him on more than 1 occasion almost cause a pretty bad accident. mostly we just messed w/him.

i used to like to get f*cked up all the time (back in highschool & college especially) but now i only do it once every couple of months.. but something ive known since day 1.. not even after 1 drink (a beer or a shot or margarita or what ever)do i touch my bike or car.. i stay where im drinking or get a ride home or to a friends... although a drunk driver ruined my uncles life & severly injured my grandma i was young & i still didnt need that to figure out that u just dont do certain things when u drink.. on the other hand there are certain things u do only when u DO drink.. like make naked snow angels in front yard at 3 in the morning when its 5 below zero. or go runnin down the road after the milk truck naked at 4 in the morning or fix hamburger helper w/scrambled eggs for breakfast or...

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[Fizzman]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Aril, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpeedPhreak:
on the other hand there are certain things u do only when u DO drink.. like make naked snow angels in front yard at 3 in the morning when its 5 below zero. or go runnin down the road after the milk truck naked at 4 in the morning
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OK, it's safe to say that speed is known as "the naked guy" at parties

Rock on
Ride on

Fizzman


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[colin409]

Studies have shown that half a beer can effect your judgement, and I think we all know there is nothing more important than good judgement when riding.

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[Blackbird]

I've got to agree with you Colin. Very minute amounts of alcohol effect you significantly. I remember a couple of years ago a friend and I went out to a bar, and the deal was "the last one to finish the first beer rides us home". That was me. I had nothing else to drink and we rode home. I misjudged my rate of closure on the vehicle infront of me and skidded straight through a pedestrian crossing.
NEVER AGAIN. That incident nearly scared me of riding for good. Now I will never ride if I have had anything whatsoever to drink.

Just my 2c.

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Dave
CBR600F3

 

[Hawkman]

When I lived in Vegas there was a big "No Helmet Law" rally that was riding from LA to Vegas. Mostly a bunch of Harley riders. As they crossed the California/Nevada border the rally organizer who was riding lead dumped his Harley and ended up dying of head injuries. I hope his crusade was worth his life, 'cause that's what it cost him.

Another sacrifice to the Altar of Stupidity.

I'm no fan of the government forcing people to be safe if they don't want to, but these boneheads are costing us a fortune in high insurance rates. Not to mention bad publicity, as in motorcycling isn't safe.

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[Pete]

It amazes me how many m/c rides around here include a stop for "burgers (or pizza, or whatever) and beer". You won't see me participating in any of those.

Another thing that unnerves me - icehouses full of Harleys. Do you think they are in there sipping Diet Coke? Helmetless and drunk, now there's a combination for ya.

Anything more than 0 drinks, and no riding for me.

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Pete
"The one thing that unites all human beings, regardless of
age, gender, religion, economic status or ethnic background, is that,
deep down inside, we ALL believe that we are above average drivers."

 

[BBQ Dave]

Remember from the mid to late 70s the baseball style hard hats that held two beer cans and had a rubber hose so you could drink with no hands?? Was thinking of getting a patent on a motorcycle helmet version so you could drink and ride without wasting all that valuable time in bars. Curse my feable mind - now I will have to continue working until get another idea to strike it rich.

Not to make light of people getting killed cause it is terrible for the families and it effects all riders. But drinking and riding and/or no helemts is just plain asking for the worst.

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Dave

600 Bandit