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Hi all my name is Jordon .This is my first post and I hope to post more.I have read other posts in the past about people who want their bike to be a r1 or a zx12 and thats a bit much. I want my first bike to be a 929rr.Now before I start any controversy Im going to say that the MSF course is definitely coming for me in the near future. I also will respect the bike.I am no where near a squid.I was going to take the gradual approach to my bike like dont leave 1st for about 2 mnths.(I know thats a bit extreme but im trying to stress my point).I think im taking the right approach.Please let me know what you think

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929 eh? ok...this is for azscotty people... :D be ez on this kid. just tell him nicely how starting with a small bike is better than starting out with a big bike. after all, we all started with training wheels right? ok..some didnt but most of us did. so, basically saying, start off like me, with a 250cc motorcycle. the kawasaki 250 is a good bike. can top at 130 mph, but with this small bike, it mostly acts as a training wheel to be familiar with how a motorcycle works. well...i'm sure others have opinions...just dont be harsh...we start somewhere. this person just need where to take the first step. :D no offense intended. :D :D

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ya u do have a valid point.Ill rethink it.My main question is..if i take the msf course through the intermediate course on my own bike would that be smarter?And I have seen how badly others can be reprimanded on this topic so ill try to play it safe by asking simple questions

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Do AZ SCOTT a favor and get a moped and learn on that first :D . Seriously, don't even consider the 929 as a first bike, especially at your age (not to knock you for being an enthusiastic young rider). Are you old enough to driver where you live? I would suggest logging atleast a few 1000 miles in a car before you go out and get ANY motorcycle. If you're like most teenage drivers, you'll probably do something stupid when you're first learning to drive (better to be in a car during this learning curve). What I'm saying is, learning to ride a motorcycle takes a great deal of concentration, and you need to focus on the motorcycle and not basic driving skills. When driving a car is complete 2nd nature, then and only then should you consider getting a motorcycle (and a small one at first). Absolutely take the MSF course. I saw a father and son taking the course together (kid was getting a 250 Ninja if he passed) and I thought this was the coolest thing a father could do. Made a mental note to do the same with my daughter when she's old enough (she already loves motorcycles :D ).

Welcome to the forum, lots of great people here. Hope you didn't take anything I said as a slam at you--just worry when a teenager wants a 929. I think even a 250 Ninja is a hell of a lot of bike for a beginner. Best of luck in your cycling endeavor.

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You guys are rite.. I am kinda aiming a little hi. I also want to thank you guys for not completely diminishing my confidence and slamming me.Im glad there are people out there like u guys that would rather help a beginner than make him feel stupid.

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:D ha...no problem dude. i just started riding my bike not long ago. you live in pleasantville? hmm...dude, i live in princeton. if you get a bike, we should ride together or somethin...laterz

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My first bike was a Honda CM200T Twinstar. I agree that small is right when first learning to ride a bike. Dirt bikes are good and dirt feels less painful than pavement...I know, believe me. My second bike was a dual purpose Suzooki SP200. That was a blast to ride-as a teenager. I then got a 93 Suzuki Bandit 400, a nice ride that I still have and looking to sell...My ride now is a 91 F2 that is in awesome shape. I believe the gradual approach is best when bikes are concerned-lets you smell the roses.
I am now seriously looking at a bigger sport bike, like an R1, or a Busa...we'll see. Just keep in mind that a small bike is still big fun but demands skill and caution nonetheless. When learning how to ride, especially aggressively, a small bike is way more forgiving than a high horsepower bike. Say you're cranking it over in a curve, give it too much throttle, and the back steps out. A smaller bike will give you more room for error in these situations. You're confidence is important, so you need to be in control. As far as road hazards, you have to know the rules of he road and the biggest hazard I've come across is other cars. Be alert when riding!
Good luck!

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This is my first post to the board. I started with a POS 75 Honda CB360T. Just recently, I got a 00 Ninja 500R. This is my first sports bike. My observations are that riding a cruiser and then riding a sports bike are night and day. I feel like I'm learning to ride all over again. Just be smart and take small steps. I would recommend getting beater bike to start with before toying with the sport bike. Dropping an inexpensive beater bike is more tolerable than a new 929rr.

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Welcome LateSleeper!

And congrats on your 500R, that's a great machine- and I like the styling of the new ones a lot. Wickliffe, eh? We should get together for a ride sometime.

I'm sorry Noreaster- but when I read you wanted to get a 929 because it's not quite the step an R1 or ZX-12 is- I almost fell off my chair. :D

The thing that gets me is that newbies read through the mags and think that the testers notes and results would actually apply to them personally. What seems to get lost somewhere is that when a magazine says something like "well, the R1 is faster than the 929" or "we like the 929 'cause it's more comfortable" that's completely useless info to you, the aspiring rider. No offense, but you'd most likely crap your pants and possibly lose control the first time you rocked the throttle back on even the most sedate 600cc sportbike. The power is like a drug for a lot of these kids who go out and just destroy themselves and their new toys. Rug Burn is so right- drive a freakin' car before you even think about throwing a leg over a bike. Driving a car is one thing- but the skill and constant effort it takes to ride a bike is something else entirely. Yes- take the MSF classes- they are great tools, but they won't make you invincible.

Do you guys even have a clue as to just how fast these bikes really are? I mean have you envisioned how exactly you get a motorcycle to turn at speed? Just turn the bars, right? Or hang your knee off the side-that'll do it- right? And why would you even want to part with TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS -not mention the insane insurance premium- for a motorcycle you'll more than likely to drop in your driveway?! I'm sure you'll try to be careful- but [email protected]*t happens.

And you know you'll have to show off a bit for your cronies- admit it, you will... and that's where you can get yourself hurt- and fast.

You say you're not even close to being a squid- but you're halfway there already!

Look- I'm not trying to be a d*!k- and I'm not trying to discourage you. But believe it or not, there are some of us that have been there, done that. Don't take it personally- if you go about entering the world of motorcycling the right way, you'll probably do just fine. Just ditch the Ricky Racer fantasies for now, and leave the 929's, R1's and ZX-12's to the pictures on your wall. Save your money, buy some good protective gear, take the MSF course, and start shopping for a 250 or 500 Ninja like these other guys.

I could never sell motorcycles. If some high school kid wandered in and handed me his money for a 929RR as his first ride, I'd quit my job before I sold it to him. Sheesh!

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I bought a ZX12R as my first road bike and feel very comfortable with it for two reasons:

Firstly, I have been driving a car for more than 20 years.

Secondly, I ride motocross on weekends which has taught me to respect bikes and their unforgiving power.

If you buy anything but a 250cc as a first bike without relative experiences you might be shortening your chance of survival. Bikes are not toys and should be respected.

Even a 500cc will get you into trouble due to the temptations of doing squidly acts. If you were buying a dirtbike even a 125cc would be a dangerous weapon.

Just want to see you survive to post again.

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I would definitley agree that you should become completely comfortable with a car before you even think about getting a bike. There are so many situations that you are going to be faced with that you really need to see for the first time with the protection a car offers. Whenever a car becomes completely second nature to quote Rug Burn, ONLY then would I consider shopping for a USED bike no bigger than 600cc. unless you are 6'3" 250lbs.

When you do become comfortable in a car in ALL situations(this might be at least 1 year) take the MSF course. This is a no-brainer for instruction and simply introducing you to the motorcycling world. Not to mention, you may not feel as though it is as easy as it looks and I bet you this course will awaken you to the fact that a CBR 929 is going to be way too much for you.

When you do decide it is time to shop around I would recommend a used bike. Read this carefully. No matter how careful you are, there is a VERY high possiblity that you will drop this bike within the first month you have it. This happens not because you don't care or are careless but because you don't have enough experience or simply do not know how to handle the bike in EVERY situation. I have seen this happen twice with friends who are considerably older than you and most probably more mature about caring for their vehicles. It happens all the time and it is expensive to fix.

Lastly, you are going to hear this a lot from these guys but a 929 is NOT a beginner bike no matter how much you think you are ready for it. These things are crazy fast, even the 600's, probably enough to seriiously scare the shit out of you. It would take you years to truly realize any bikes potential and a good rider will almost always be able to keep up with bigger bikes depending on where you are riding. Realize these 2 things if nothing else. 1. Smaller less powerful bikes will give you much more forgiveness when you make mistakes and you will need it and just may keep you alive. 2. A smaller bike will make you a better rider faster because you will be able to handle it better, learn your limits, and stay on the bike. Squids want the better, faster bikes, real riders want to become better riders.


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For the love of god listen to the people, they know what they are talking about (much more than I do :)). I have been on 2 wheels for 13 years, on the street for 4 (yeah I know 4, but I'm only 22) and I took my friend's 929 out for a spin, dude, it's spooky fast, and thats not a good thing sometimes. TRUST me when I say that a 500 ninja, Interceptor 500, seca/bandit 600, SV650 will be more than enough for ya.
If you MUST have the full plastic ricky racer bike stick with a 600.
And yes you will most likely drop it, hell I dropped my VF500f the first night I got it, and I dropped it on a damn boat prop (new tank 150$, still has a rip in the seat).
Good luck young Jedi

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im looking into a 250ninja right now because i realize that they do know what they are alking about.Does anyone know of any other bikes like this.I know about the ex500 already

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By the way, I did not mean to imply that you were immature or careless in my post. It's great that you are willing to listen. Just pointing out that shit does happen and it costs lots of money if not your life. I'm all for you getting that 929 after you can ride well enough to appreciate it. I know I can't.

Also, this might be a little more aggressive than most would recommend but there are lots of used Honda F3's and F2's laying around. The parts are plentiful and cheap if you drop em, but the bikes are still fast as hell. They still might be a little much but they will be much more forgiving than that 929.

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Are we getting through to you guys yet?

Youngrider?

ZeroMan?

Everyone else?

You may think I'm a jackass for telling it to you straight, but it's the truth. Listen to the experienced riders on this board, and maybe one day, YOU will be the ones giving out advice...

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It scares me that there are parents out there with enough money but not enough sense keep their teenagers off of these modern highpowered sportbikes. If my parents had allowed me to ride one at 16, I would probably be dead. Do your families at least a small favor and stick to the more reasonable bikes such as the 250 or 500 Ninjas or Suzuki SV 650. At least the insurance won't kill them before the bike kills you.

Damn, I'm starting to sound more like my Dad. :( I guess I could do much worse than being like him. ;)

Of course you could go ahead and get the 929 so that there will be more salvage parts to choose from. I think alot of those parts will fit the RC 51. :p

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I'm inclined to think that a bigger CC sportbike might be preferable to a smaller one if it has a more torque filled powerband. Some of the inline 4 600's have a really lousy powerband (for street riding).

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Aril, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OzRed12:
Hey CBR Brutha, who advised him to buy a ZX12. Unless your literally challenged, I have NOT read one post, including my own, recommending he get this bike.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you mean "literately" challenged, right? Also, it's "you're", not "your". If you go back and actually READ my post, you might actually realize that I didn't say anyone HAD advised him to get a ZX12r. Read it again then get pissed at me if you still think that's what I said.

I knew what you were saying, and all I was doing was to ensure that Noreaster didn't take your thread to mean what it very easily could have. Basically, making sure he didn't run with your first sentence. Understand now. No need to get pissed or angry or whatever. Just read my post again and I think you'll understand.

BTW, You're right, I am literately challenged. My pet monkey is typing this for me, verbatim of course. "Literately challenged" --- what a dumbass comment. Other than that, sorry for any confusion you had regarding my thread.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Aril, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OzRed12:
I bought a ZX12R as my first road bike...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DO NOT DO THIS!!!

Hey dude, welcome to the forum. Just to start off: whatever you do, do not do what this guy did. To me, evcen if you have dirt track experience, a ZX12r is too much for a first bike.

The bike is too mean, fast, heavy, and unforgiving for a street beginner. Also, cage-driving experience is worthless when it comes to bikes and the mechanics involved in riding them. Basic driving skills can be learned by caging it, but to assume that cage driving is sufficient experience to be on a 929rr, or even a 600 for that matter, is totally wrong.

My advice, after 8+ years of hardcore street riding, is start on a 250, like was said before. After you KNOW that you can handle the bike and are completely comfortable with EVERY aspect of motorcycle riding, you ought to consider something bigger. My next bike after my recent NASTY highside will be a 929rr, but I think that most on this forum will agree with me on this: The new 600's, with all their power and user-friendliness, is all any sportbike rider needs. (Comments, arguments?)

It is nice to have a bike like a XX, 'Busa, or ZX12r, but with the speed and power of modern 600's, I think that anyone can be happy on one of those machines. I am only going with the 929 because of the fuel injection and the weight (2lbs. heavier than F4). Plus it looks badass and the tank contour gives a more substantial feeling between the legs. Makes me more comfortable when leaning and also in a full tuck pos. (I just KNOW I'm asking for someone to take that one and run with it, so be nice :D :D)

Anyway, hope this gives ya' something to think about. Most importantly, ride safe, and know that it's not you who usually will cause an accident, it's the old lady in front of you, or the dumbass teen beside you trying to show you his '84 Cavalier is faster than your bike. Just be careful, have fun, and learn to love this sport that we all take part in.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Aril, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AZ Scott:
Are we getting through to you guys yet?

Youngrider?

ZeroMan?

Everyone else?
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Hmmm...are you implying that you are the ONLY rider on the board who doesn't need advice? I'm sure your riding skills are far superior to mine, given just simply your geographic location, but come on dude. Just because I like to ride wheelies down mall sidewalks on senior citizen's day doesn't mean I need to take advice from you people...SHEESH!!! :D :D

On the real though: I totally agree with most of the posts on this board. Noreaster dude, glad to know you're not like most kids your age, goin' out with mommy and daddy's money and buying what will become a death machine in a small amount of time. Go with the smaller bike, and a few years down the road when you have your brand new 600 you'll be glad that you started the way you did, and for the total confidence you have because of it.

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