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since I have been around motorcycles for the last ten years. I finally bought my own (1999 R6) 3 years ago. I have 25,000 miles worth of experience on the R6 all ready. Am I going to get totaly bored and fall asleep in this basic motorcycle class next weekend?
 

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In honestry I have no idea. Since I have been ridng yearly since '46 I was one they tried to talk into being the start of putting my time in, for narry a penny, to teach beginners back in '68. But hey man I was a full-time fruit orchardist & often worked from dawn to dusk 7 days a week. Also my free time was spent practicing on my dirt comp iron or actually going to compete is comp events to sometimes riding my street iron. Only thing I do have is a Class 6 license in B.C., Cdn & that is a must if one is riding a m/c.

Try to keep away & if I were in your boots I would try to see how the instructors were making small errors--------that would be one way to look at things.
 

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I too took the course after years of riding-- You will be ahead of most of those in your class, minus one: your instrucrtor. I'm sure he has been ridin a lot longer than both of us. Anyways, it will be boring at 1st, getting accustomed to the bike and all, but once you start rolling, it wont be that bad. I learned a whole lot about slow maneuvering.. doing tight 8's and stuff gets cool. Hands down, you'll come out learning something if you're not cocky about it. Learn, teach, and have fun.
 

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I've been riding street for 3 years now. And when I go take my MSF course, i'm going to pretend like i've never ridden before just so i don't look like an asshole or someone that thinks he's better than the class.:)
 

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Hands down, you'll come out learning something if you're not cocky about it.
This is the key. I took the class with a few experianced guys, and one guy quit because he knew all this "sh!t". He refused to wear the gear they require (long sleeves, full boot, gloves, at least 3/4 helmet). If anyone feels they can't just relax and act new for a few days, they should opt out of taking the class.
 

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I've been riding street for 3 years now. And when I go take my MSF course, i'm going to pretend like i've never ridden before just so i don't look like an asshole or someone that thinks he's better than the class.:)
I agree. I think I am going to act dumb. The only thing that concerns me is that I feel more comfortable wearing my own leathers and helmet. And they will se me wearing all Dianese leathers. They will know I ride. I'll just try to learn all I can.
 

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I took it last fall, and you do learn a few things. The big thing is, just like others said, don't act like you know it all.

As for the instructors being more experienced, don't count on it. Here in Illinois, in order to be an instructor, all you have to do is:
1. Be at least 18 yrs old.
2. Passed both Basic and Experienced rider safety course.
3. Take a week long Instructor training course.
4. Teach at least 3-4 courses per year.

So the instructor does not "have" to have more experience. This doesn't mean that he/she won't, but there is a chance.

I am currently looking into becoming an instructor, and I have only had about 2yrs/5000 miles of "street" experience.

Anyway, good luck, and let us know if you learn something!
 

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When I took mine here in Ohio last year, I had only ridden for a couple of months, yet I wore the full gamet of safety gear I wear when I ride now. Full leather jacket, helmet, gloves boots, etc. I don't think showing up in full leathers is anything bad. Some might either think one of two things:

A. They think you already know how to ride, and don't belong in the class, and are just trying to show off your leathers and shit

B. You are being over cautious by wearing all the gear.

Half of my class had been riding for a few years and were only taking it for the insurance break. But even they came away with learning a few new things. I wouldn't worry about it. Just tell them you thought it might do you some good to get some Professional instruction incase you missed something in your years of riding. I have heard of people taking the class every year just to refresh on some things. I plan on taking the advanced rider course sometime this year. If I can find one close to me that is.
 

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When I was nailed for Dangerous Driving on a m/c---that is a Criminal Offence here in Cdn. Also lost my DL for 6 months & had to take the m/c test over again.

I argued with the civil servant over some of the wording of the questions of the written part & I was correct which did not put him in a good mood.

One week later to take the riding test. Instead of my street iron I tossed the Kwacker RD 250cc Trials iron on the trailer & then down to the Govt place. Bike was barely(?) street legal.

Sort of shook him up at the start for there I was in full Trials riding gear which he had never seen in his life. He asked if the bike had lights & I said 'YES" so asked if I would turn them on & I said "It runs by magneto----do you want me to fire up the engine just for that?". Then did it have a stop light & pointed out the brake pedal was connected to this spring/switch that would trip the stop light. Asks if it had a mirror & pointed out there it was which was a chopped down bicycycle mirror under the the left handlebar & barely visable though pointed out with it & continual shoulder checks I was better off then a cage driver as no part of the bike blocked my vision. Next was the horn & reached to the bicycle bulb horn to "oink" "oink" it & that sort of threw him.

He came out with of all things asking if the bike had "baffles" & I think he was referring to if the muffler/can had baffles. Well now I had him for I said something like "Baffles, baffles---man does this bike have baffles? Just think this is just a small single cylinder 250cc & not some massive V-8 muscle car ---- look at this one exhaust pipe & this flat set of baffles (as I pulled of a plastic guard) & then to the Spark Arrestor to point out a SECOND set of baffles & asked him when had he ever seen a single piston machine with TWO sets of baffles?".

Believe me I was having fun making an arse of this civil servant. Then came the plastic cones & there I was coming back & him shaking his head saying that one is NOT to ride standing up on the bike. So I said "On an Observed Trials m/c one does NOT ride it sitting down----still to make you happy I will do so". With that I sat on the LOW position of the bike with knees spread way out to look so extreme do all the stuff required. So I got my m/d DL back.

Thing was a bit later on when I was going to roll off with this the bike he is there with this old gal talking to her as I prodded the bike into life, did a neat 180 degree turn on the r/wheel with front up in the air & myself with feet on the footrest---out the street doing a wheelie (believe me doing wheelies on an Observed Trials irons is a piece of cake) down the 1/4 block to lower front wheel at the STOP sign & with nothing to my left or right & still riding "feet up", up came the f/wheel as I turned right & out of his sight---then I put the front wheel down.

Word got out that he was so shaken by this motorbike rider that he took 1/2 of the day off & then phoned in he was six the next few days. Was it me or did he see a way to get away from work?

NOTE this was a Govt employeed Civil Servant & not the volunteers like on the MSF course.
 

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Smitty's rebellious side finally shows!!!!!!!!!

Guy probably quit his job and went to buy a trials bike after seeing you show him how it's done.:D

As for the thread, just tell the class your "friend" let you borrow his gear for the class. Or, wear jeans and whatever minimal clothing they require as you will work up quite a sweat pushing your loaner rig around the parking lot (w/engine off, I mean...). There was a whole lot of pushing in my class before a single motor fired up.
 

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As for the thread, just tell the class your "friend" let you borrow his gear for the class. Or, wear jeans and whatever minimal clothing they require as you will work up quite a sweat pushing your loaner rig around the parking lot (w/engine off, I mean...). There was a whole lot of pushing in my class before a single motor fired up.
That's my plan, just say I borrowed a helmet and gloves. I don't really see the point of wearing leathers, or even a jacket for that matter, to ride 10mph around a parking lot.:2cents:
 

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Well at least a tough cloth jacket like a jean jacket which is better then your bare elbow.
 

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Well at least a tough cloth jacket like a jean jacket which is better then your bare elbow.
I don't know man. I think I'd rather lose some skin than be seen in a jean jacket.:(
 

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Guess I should have said "--tough fabric jacket---". I just used the Jean name knowing it is tougher then one's skin. LOL
 

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DONE with the MSC!

OK! I would have to agree that wearing your leathers would be a bad decision. A long sleeve shirt is really all you need for this class. Please ignore my spelling because I'm am going through a heat exhaustion phase right now from riding in a parking lot for 2 days. I actually learned alot. The main thing I learned was the counter balance on a slow turn. I am not sure if whoever reads this post will know exactly what I am talking about. But, I never really realized how low I could get my R6 down on a sharp corner at a very slow speed and counter balance my body on the bike to ride right through the corner. I am used to leaning into the direction of the turn no matter what speed I am going. Anyway, I would strongley suggest anybody new to motorcycles to take this class! Even after 25,000 miles worth of experience on my R6, I learned a lot. I am planning on taking the experienced rider's course soon. Well, take care all! I am going to relax for the remainder of the day and just surf the web!
 

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Now there is a seller on the MSF course if I must say so myself.
 
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