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Ok guys, I'm trying to buy a new bike as I sold my last CBR600 3 years ago to buy a house. House is now bought and I'm in a position to jump back on the saddle, but I don't know what to do get. Please help.

To be honest I started out looking at the 2006/2007 Triumph Sprint ST's since everyone says they rule for sport touring, and I was somewhat interested in considering this, but those bastards appearantely don't sell their bikes! Can't find any on craigslist. Sorta gave up on that. My price range is about $7,500 max.

So the first question I need to answer is 600cc or Liter? I'm 6'2" and 250lbs, so I'm going to use some of that power just by my size :p

I've got about 2.5 years and 8k miles on a 600cc worth of experience using it as almost a daily commuter before...

I was considering a 1000cc bike because I felt the 600's were a TAD under powered a few years ago for my weight. Also they all seemed smaller than the 1k frame wise, so the 1k bikes 'fit' me better and I hear they're much easier to commute around on due to the ample power even down low. I hear you don't have to change gears so often to have power to move.


Once that question is answered, since I know you guys have all driven these bikes before, which one do you prefer, and why?

My main usage will be on the streets, daily commutes, some twistys, and occasionally some longer trips up to 400 miles a day for fun. (I did that on my old 600 and I was a bit sore, but I could do it).


Help me out guys =)

Thanks in advance,
Jesse
 

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From the description, sounds like you want a liter. There is no difference frame wise, so the fit is much the same, but having to shift less is a definite advantage on the street, and while touring.
Myself, I got a liter, but want a 600. I'm more interested in track than street, and I'd rather go fast based on my skill, than horsepower. Besides, its easier to learn on a bike that doesnt overwhelm you.
 

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You could get a 2007 CBR 600RR for about $7500. That's a lot of go for the cash. But I understand what a 600 feels like to deal with everyday in the city, in fact, I was looking into getting an RC51 to commute on but decided I would want a 1000RR instead since its more common. That's not for awhile, though.

I know it sounds kind of lazy not wanting to shift so much on a 600 but I installed a Factory Pro Evo star shift kit on my F4i and shifting is much smoother and quicker. Its much less of a chore now. Also doing a few power mods makes it a fairly decent machine to play around on everyday. Just a thought.
 

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IMO a liter bike is overkill. My 636 still scares me with how fast I can make it go and I'm nowhere near reaching this bikes full potential yet. Any supersport bike these days will be more than enough to shatter your local speed limits very swifty. The size and weight of the 1000's vs the 600's are getting closer and closer these days.
 

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IMO a liter bike is overkill. My 636 still scares me with how fast I can make it go and I'm nowhere near reaching this bikes full potential yet. Any supersport bike these days will be more than enough to shatter your local speed limits very swifty. The size and weight of the 1000's vs the 600's are getting closer and closer these days.
Overkill for what though? Overkill for pure need for speed, sure. I wasn't looking at a literbike for this particular reason though, I'm no squid. I was looking at it more for the fact that it seems the common statement on these bikes is that they're much better for commuting and small trips, less whiny/buzzy at speed due to the lower RPM range you can drive them in etc.
 

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For the purposes you cite, I think the liter would be the way to go. In fact, I'd take it even a step further and look for an open class GT type bike- a used Hayabusa would be a good choice. Or maybe a CBR-1100XX. Plenty of power, massive torque, decent handling for the twisties, and comfortable enough to easily do those occasional 400+ mile days.
 

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The CBR 1100xx Blackbird is somewhat rare but a great sport tourer. So is the VFR Interceptor but you might want something with more power and sportiness.
 

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8k miles in 2.5 years as a daily commuter? You must not have much of a commute. I'd be inclined to say that the 600 would be the wise choice, and you can easily get one that is very lightly used for that price. I trust you have gear, or have allotted money for that too?

As far as ergos, I personally don't think there is a huge difference between 600s and liters, but I haven't spent a lot of time on liter bikes. Have you considered an SV-1000? It's got a ton of torque, and I have a friend who weighs more than you do that has one, and he's never complained about its size before.

If you're level-headed, which you seem to be, I doubt a 1000 will pose a problem though. Go to a dealership, sit on a few, and see what's comfortable for you. Good luck!
 

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I ride a Honda 1000 and am 5'10 and 180. I am not a big person but prefer the fit of the litre bike. And you just cant beat the torque! I actually feel the 1000 is easier to ride at the speed limit because I never have to search for the powerband like on a 600. The 1000 just has useable power everywhere and that is why it feels easier to ride in traffic!
 

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8k miles in 2.5 years as a daily commuter? You must not have much of a commute. I'd be inclined to say that the 600 would be the wise choice, and you can easily get one that is very lightly used for that price. I trust you have gear, or have allotted money for that too?

As far as ergos, I personally don't think there is a huge difference between 600s and liters, but I haven't spent a lot of time on liter bikes. Have you considered an SV-1000? It's got a ton of torque, and I have a friend who weighs more than you do that has one, and he's never complained about its size before.

If you're level-headed, which you seem to be, I doubt a 1000 will pose a problem though. Go to a dealership, sit on a few, and see what's comfortable for you. Good luck!
Yeah, I've been sitting on the liter bikes mostly since I already have the prior experience with the 600's. Also yes, my commute was only 10 miles lol, so the rest of the mileage was just cruising around for fun and couple two-three hundred mile + trips.

So I like the feel of the R1 and CBR1000rr, hence the title (and the Sprint ST but I can't find any for sale in my price range).. My second question is still not really answered by anyone yet, which is, what are the characteristics of each bike? Is the CBR tamer and easier to handle? With the R1 the more racey and track friendly bike? Thats sort of the way it always worked for the 600's if I remember.
 

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I have never riden the R1 but I love the CBR1000RR. Not just the way it fits me but the motor and tranny are typical Honda smoothness:)
Is there any years to stay away from if the CBR1k is my pick? I was thinking a 2004 - 2006 all seem to be in my price range.
 

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I have never heard of any real "weak" points on the RR's of any year. I would feel good with any of them. As a matter of fect, my local dealer has a scratched '05 I want to get for a track bike. HMMMMmmmm, maybe I should go by after lunch. Always room for one more...
 

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I have ridden the 06 Honda 1000. Its probably the most comfortable bike I have ever ridden. I have the 05 R1 and the pegs are very comfortable but you seem to really put alot of weight on your hands. It took a little while to get used to for me. I have also ridden the 06 gsxr 1000. Not very comfortable, the footpegs seem a little high and the controls were a little out of reach for me. I am not 100% sure but I think you can move the pegs on the gixxer and obviously you could move the controls (break and clutch). I have yet to ride the ZX10 but my cousin just bought a 06 and I think I am more excited to ride it than he is. I have sat on it though and it seems very comfortable but couldnt give you a better opinion than that, sorry. Oh ya, I am 6 foot and about 210.
 

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I have ridden the 06 Honda 1000. Its probably the most comfortable bike I have ever ridden. I have the 05 R1 and the pegs are very comfortable but you seem to really put alot of weight on your hands. It took a little while to get used to for me. I have also ridden the 06 gsxr 1000. Not very comfortable, the footpegs seem a little high and the controls were a little out of reach for me. I am not 100% sure but I think you can move the pegs on the gixxer and obviously you could move the controls (break and clutch). I have yet to ride the ZX10 but my cousin just bought a 06 and I think I am more excited to ride it than he is. I have sat on it though and it seems very comfortable but couldnt give you a better opinion than that, sorry. Oh ya, I am 6 foot and about 210.
That's good to hear about the comfort. What about the engine power and the tranny etc? Was there ample power down low or was it anemic? Remember I"ll be doing a lot of street riding and such so I don't want to have it rap out to 10k to get any more... though that is fun sometimes.
 

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R1's and cbr1ks are pretty simular engine and handling wise. The R1 is a touch more flickable, while the CBR feels a touch more planted. Both engines feel a touch underwhelmed, in comparison to the gsxr/zx. Cbr engine is more predictable and smoother, while the R1 almost feels like a really really strong 600.
 

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just my :2cents:

the RR is more nimble. Both have aggressive riding position so they're both uncomfortable, but the R1 has a bit of an advantage. As far as being commute friendly, never ridden an r1 before just sat on it, but the CBR is surprisingly pretty smooth.

If youre just looking for a daily commute bike that can go fast if needed, an SV1000 should be good for you. Riding position is much much more comfortable. Very smooth and has a lot of torque under your control. Looks good too and cheaper than the r1 or RR.

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Since we are talking about standards, dont forget the FZ1 and Z1000. They have retuned R1 and ZX10 engines, respectivly, with more low end at the expense of some high end punch (They are still really, really fast), both have saner ergonomics. The downside is that you get a half fairing or less, which affects the looks in some peoples eyes.
 

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Since we are talking about standards, dont forget the FZ1 and Z1000. They have retuned R1 and ZX10 engines, respectivly, with more low end at the expense of some high end punch (They are still really, really fast), both have saner ergonomics. The downside is that you get a half fairing or less, which affects the looks in some peoples eyes.
Yeah I'm pretty partial to the full fairing look personally unless we're talking about a chromed out cruiser or something... I'll keep those bikes in mind, but I'm probably going to stay leaning with what I know which is the true(er) sport bikes or the sport touring bikes (more heavily on the sport than the touring). I do have lots of great twisties around me and will ride those as well as commuting and a couple road trips (week or two long one from Seattle to San Diego and back up through Nevada, Arizona etc this summer).

I like what I'm hearing about the CBR so far, so it looks that I've narrowed it down to the Liter class CBR or R1 (or, again, the Sprint ST is for sure on my list, it's just that none of those jerks sell their bikes around here!).

Anyone out there have road time on the ST?
 
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