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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Squidwannabe:
Quoted from the above story :'If it was a terrorist attack, no one has claimed responsibility.'

Now is it me ? Or does anyone think this doesn't make sense ?

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Very often, terrorist organizations will claim responsibility for their actions.



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Posted by Pete <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Very often, terrorist organizations will claim responsibility for their actions.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now I am young and new to the ways of terrorism ... But If i pissed off a giant, I wouldn't fess up ?

Why would/do they ?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Squidwannabe:

Why would/do they ?

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It helps to get their point across, i.e., the reason for the attack. "You did xxx to us, now this is your punishment."


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AHHHHH, an eye for an eye


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Squidwannabe:

Why would/do they ?

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Squid, wake up and smell the C-4. They're terrorists, that's what they do. They can't brag to their terrorist buddies about what they did if they don't take credit for it. A lot of times several organizations will try and take credit for the same event--this is plagarism. :D

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For those who haven't heard yet, the USS Cole was attacked this morning by a "kamakaze speedboat" filled with explosives. Tentative reports show 4 sailors dead, 1 missing and 31 injured. I know some of you guys are military and I just wanted to say "Thanks for the job your doing" and that my thoughts are with the family's of those sailors.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedNinja:
I know some of you guys are military and I just wanted to say "Thanks for the job your doing" and that my thoughts are with the family's of those sailors.


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Ditto from me.



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Quoted from the above story :'If it was a terrorist attack, no one has claimed responsibility.'

Now is it me ? Or does anyone think this doesn't make sense ?

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I beg to differ with at least one detail that seems to be floating around. Ive read it as a boat "rammed" the destroyer, but then i read another report that says teh boat was helping the destroyer into port in refueling ops.

Now at first (before that report) i was scratching my head as to why the destroyer wasnt alert to such a "kamikaze" attack. But it does make sense that a small support craft would be able to get right up beside the Ship without any problems if it was acting as a maneuvering tug.

It may not have even been a terrorist attack in the first place. I think this is something that the Clinton Administration will screw up even more. Who knows. Obviously, if it was an attack, the terrorists felt they can get away with it in as much as helping thier cause. and THAT is the sad part. If it wasnt, then This administration needs to quit blaming errors on out part on "terrorists".

(Example, TWA flight 800, which *was* shot down by the Navy... HUNDREDS of witnesses saw the same thing on that one, the missile streaking UP from the ocean and hitting the Jetliner... yet they were all deemed "unreliable"... BULL-SH*T!!)

A co-worker was on a Nuclear Carrier in the Atlantic, and my oldest brother was on a Frigate in the Atlantic *and* Pacific, we've talked about these types of things at legnth and alot of these incidents happen (or are allowed to happen) due to US Navy incompetance. It only takes one guy to be a little "lax" and something like this happens.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GreenNinja:
It only takes one guy to be a little "lax" and something like this happens.




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The big difference here is that RCJohn is no longer in the Navy. :p Seriously, this is f#$ked up and I feel for the families of those sailors.



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Posted by RUG BURN <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Squid, wake up and smell the C-4. They're terrorists, that's what they do. They can't brag to their terrorist buddies about what they did if they don't take credit for it. A lot of times several organizations will try and take credit for the same event--this is plagarism<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just seem's they'd brag/live longer if they didn't fess up ...

This reminds me of a story.. When I was young I used to get picked on by the local bully, I decided one day that his tough attitude was just a front and i stood up to him.
Lesson learned: Bully's attitude was not a front, Don't pick fights with a bully.

Just as a note, I don't mean this to be humorous. No disrespect to the sailers family's.


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No you gotta stand up to the bullies. i didnt take crap from anyone in Jr High, im not saying i beat up the bullies, but i never turned down their offer for a fight.. I got thrown around a few times but never "beat up" in the conventional sense.

Eventually they figured out it wasnt as much fun if they werent intimidating me.

(but to tell you the truth i did get a bloddy nose once or twice, and one guy actually broke his hand from a punch, with no damage to me!).. :D :D :p :D

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Just act absolutley insane (Terrorists) and
the big bully (USA) will fear you.
Will you owe me for stearing this back on
topic cos it ain't my forum!! :D

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GreenNinja, I agreed with your original approach until you stated "Navy incompetance". I'm not getting pissy but I am saying that you made a bad generalization. The Navy is not incompetant, however there are a very small number of incompetant people in the Navy. ;)

For those thinking that this was an accidental ramming. Absolutely wrong, a simple collision with a small boat will not create that type of hole in a war ship. Note the term WAR ship. :)

Depending on where you are(ie, what port), you may not have time to stop this type of incident. Obviously if you are in a politically volotile port you would not allow an unknown craft that close without RAPID reaction. In a non-hostile port you aren't quite as quick to lock-and-load then shoot. I don't know the state of affairs there but it is a mistake none the less. We had our submarine tied up in Chesapeake Bay one summer for tours. Every damn pleasure craft in Anapolis wanted to cruise up to the Ballistic Missile Sub for a look. Our security watches were supposed to maintain security halo around the boat but it was difficult without resorting to harsh threats. :( They didn't listen until one of the watches cycled the slide on the 12 gauge assault shotgun. It wasn't loaded but the idiots in the cruiser didn't know. :eek: Deadly force was probably authorized given the situation but common sense prevailed. :cool: That was the end of the halo penetrations. :D

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Ok John, i didnt insinuate that the ENTIRE US Navy was incompetent, but there are more than just "a few" complete incompetents in the Navy. (You know that!!)..

Also, there is no way a small rubber boat could put a hole in the side of a destroyer by simply "colliding".. But this port was deemed "unsafe" in recent years and it was only recently that USN vessels resumed stops there. I agree witrh you in that the crew should have been more concerned with who all the "support craft" were, and as ive now read this was a contracted company that was in charge of helping the USN ships get to dock or refueling stations.. Yeah id say SOMEONE was "lax"..

Ah well.... Im pretty sure the fatalities were probably all innocent sailors who had no say in these things... and that is whats sad in this case.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GreenNinja:
Ok John, i didnt insinuate that the ENTIRE US Navy was incompetent, but there are more than just "a few" complete incompetents in the Navy. (You know that!!)..

Also, there is no way a small rubber boat could put a hole in the side of a destroyer by simply "colliding".. But this port was deemed "unsafe" in recent years and it was only recently that USN vessels resumed stops there. I agree witrh you in that the crew should have been more concerned with who all the "support craft" were, and as ive now read this was a contracted company that was in charge of helping the USN ships get to dock or refueling stations.. Yeah id say SOMEONE was "lax"..

Ah well.... Im pretty sure the fatalities were probably all innocent sailors who had no say in these things... and that is whats sad in this case.

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Yeah, there's no way that was just a collision. If those were deemed unsafe water then there was definitely some lax controls. :(

It is very sad. From my limited knowledge of that type of ship, I would say that it was the engineering folks that operate the propulsion plant. :(

I was probably a little spoiled with with competance of my part of the Navy(Nuclear trained :D). Ones we considered incompetant were considered sharp by the "rest" of the Navy. ;)

When my boat pulled into Scotland during the Gulf War, a boat wouldn't have even come close to the ship before our watches and the Marines on the Tender would have blown it away. Things were very tense during that period. :eek:

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and friends of the dead and injured sailer. :(


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John is probibly correct about the it being in the machinery room (MMR). The Cole probably drafts @20-40 feet which would put the water line near the upper section of the MMRs lower section of the berthing (where the sailors sleep). I used to work with a couple guys (we were all mechanics) that were sent there but they should have seperated from the NAVY by now. Reason 298,813 why I left. Shit like that!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GreenNinja:
I think this is something that the Clinton Administration will screw up even more.
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Like the way Reagan let 200 Marines die in the Mideast? Or how George Senior called off the dogs and left Saddam Hussein in power?

Time to get your eyes checked Green Ninja. Myopia is a dangerous thing for a motorcycle rider.

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