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I just read two articles in the paper today that really annoyed me.

In the first we are told that the families of the 4 Canadian troops killed by an American F16 pilot should not expect an offical apology from the US military. Apparently they only apologize if they kill fellow Americans by mistake. For any of you unfamiliar with the story, the pilot was flying over a restricted area where there was to be no unauthorized attacks ( this area is often used for training) . He saw small arms fire which he thought was directed at him. He reported it in, and was told to mark the area, instead the idiot dropped a 500 lb guided bomb on Canadian troops using the area for live fire training.

The second story relates how fans at the Raptors/ Pistons game booed while the Canadian national anthem was played before the NBA playoff game. To add insult to injury, this occured on the same day the four casualties from Afghanistan were buried. Seems the fans in Detroit quickly forgot the support and help Canada gave them Sept. 11/02. I hope they remember their actions next time they're stuck in a plane over the Atlantic, with no place to land.

I don't know which story pisses me off more, the morons in Detroit, or the officials in Washinton.

I know this is not the most common outlook in the U.S.. But, having lived there for 2 years I find this stories not in the least hard to believe.:(
 

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I just read two articles in the paper today that really annoyed me.

In the first we are told that the families of the 4 Canadian troops killed by an American F16 pilot should not expect an offical apology from the US military. Apparently they only apologize if they kill fellow Americans by mistake. For any of you unfamiliar with the story, the pilot was flying over a restricted area where there was to be no unauthorized attacks ( this area is often used for training) . He saw small arms fire which he thought was directed at him. He reported it in, and was told to mark the area, instead the idiot dropped a 500 lb guided bomb on Canadian troops using the area for live fire training.
I hope that's not true... :(


The second story relates how fans at the Raptors/ Pistons game booed while the Canadian national anthem was played before the NBA playoff game. To add insult to injury, this occured on the same day the four casualties from Afghanistan were buried. Seems the fans in Detroit quickly forgot the support and help Canada gave them Sept. 11/02. I hope they remember their actions next time they're stuck in a plane over the Atlantic, with no place to land.
So what? This is always the case when US vs Canada... They're just trying to make a big deal out of it in lieu of the recent event.


I am Canadian.
 

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'Apparently they only apologize if they kill fellow Americans by mistake.'
-Typical American selfishness-

'The second story relates how fans at the Raptors/ Pistons game booed while the Canadian national anthem was played before the NBA playoff game.'
-Remember when they displayed our flag upside down on a televised baseball game? Just shows how smart they are! Doh!

'Seems the fans in Detroit quickly forgot the support and help Canada gave them Sept. 11/02. I hope they remember their actions next time they're stuck in a plane over the Atlantic, with no place to land.'
-Next time maybe they can land in the arctic and freeze their patriotic asses!

'I don't know which story pisses me off more, the morons in Detroit, or the officials in Washinton.'
-You can't say that to me "I'm Amercian!" Bull$hit....I just did!

And there are my feelings concerning your post!
 

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The second story relates how fans at the Raptors/ Pistons game booed while the Canadian national anthem was played before the NBA playoff game. To add insult to injury, this occured on the same day the four casualties from Afghanistan were buried. Seems the fans in Detroit quickly forgot the support and help Canada gave them Sept. 11/02. I hope they remember their actions next time they're stuck in a plane over the Atlantic, with no place to land
Thats disgraceful booing at another nations national anthem

Remember when they displayed our flag upside down on a televised baseball game? Just shows how smart they are!


Well thats even worse
 

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Very sad occurence to be sure, but the response to the event is sickening. Our society at large just doesn't give a f**k about anything or anyone aside from themselves. :mad:
 

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Re: Re: "America" shows it's class

re: fans booing Nat'l Anthem



So what? This is always the case when US vs Canada... They're just trying to make a big deal out of it in lieu of the recent event.


I am Canadian.
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Booing another teams anthem or even another team shows a total lack of respect. I was taught by my parents and coaches that a visiting team is a guest and that they deserve out best hospitality......... except of course during the game when we were expected to crush them.
I would NEVER boo a nation's national anthem. Especially a nation's that is supposed to be our closes friend. When I go to NHL games and they play the U.S. anthem, I stand up straight and shut up.

The "fans" in Detroit said more about themselves than anything else.
 

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Robert said:
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Just remember not all of us are assholes. :)
Actually Robert, having travelled alot, I can assure you there are ASSHOLES everywhere, even here:rolleyes: Just as I can assure you there are great people everywhere, even there:rolleyes: .

The unofficial responses sent here from "ordinary Americans" has been heartfelt and touching.
 

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Booing another teams anthem or even another team shows a total lack of respect. I was taught by my parents and coaches that a visiting team is a guest and that they deserve out best hospitality......... except of course during the game when we were expected to crush them.
I would NEVER boo a nation's national anthem. Especially a nation's that is supposed to be our closes friend. When I go to NHL games and they play the U.S. anthem, I stand up straight and shut up.

The "fans" in Detroit said more about themselves than anything else. [/B]
I know that, but you're always going to have some drunk ****head doing it... What I'm saying is, it has nothing to do with the recent events that took place and it pisses me off that they try to make it seem like that.
 

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Btw, I'll feel the same way if/when they do it in Toronto.

(Everyone out west knows what idiots there are in TO.:twofinger )
 

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If you can take what some moronic hocky fans in Detroit did... and some imbecilic bureaucrats in Washington did, and use it to cast aspersion on all Americans, I think you are just looking for justification for what you already feel anyway.

I can just as easily expand that to include you as well... last time I checked Canada was part of North AMERICA too.

It's easy to see bad when you look for it. ;)
 

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The Americans aren't the only ones incapable of saying "I'm Sorry"!!

It's not a hard thing to say - yet so many people have problems with apologising. It's not a matter of saying that you were at fault... but just some decency and compassion by saying you are sorry for the events that happened.

The more people that make an attempt to do this, the better our world will become.

I know in Australia there is a big issue where the government should be apoligising but refuse to and this issue is in a way a lot worse because the America Canada thing was an accident here the issue although many years ago it was intential at the time.

But on the count of governments refusing to apoligise did you ever think it may have something to do with liabilty and legality. These days people will find any excuse to sue although maybe these Candadian families do deserve an apology and probably some sort of compensation
 

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If you can take what some moronic hocky fans in Detroit did... and some imbecilic bureaucrats in Washington did, and use it to cast aspersion on all Americans, I think you are just looking for justification for what you already feel anyway.

I can just as easily expand that to include you as well... last time I checked Canada was part of North AMERICA too.

It's easy to see bad when you look for it. ;)
I haven't heard about the latest Pistons/Raptors game, but I hope there was no booing of the Nat'l anthems, stuff like that makes me sick.

Like I said, it was bureaucrats and morons. The response of ordinary U.S. citizens is what I expected. BTW morons and bureaucrats exist everywhere.....pity.

As far as Canada ( and Mexico ) being part of America, that's something I've found most U.S. citizens forget.
 

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As far as Canada ( and Mexico ) being part of America, that's something I've found most U.S. citizens forget.
I say that to people all of the time. It is so common that people do it without realizing, and when I remark it, most see the point. I really don't think it is done out of arrogance or indifference, but sure can come across that way to citizens of other countries, not just other American countries either.
 

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. I really don't think it is done out of arrogance or indifference, but sure can come across that way to citizens of other countries, not just other American countries either.
Hate to disagree with you Dad, but isn't it that the definition of arrogant or indifferent?

It's been 20 yrs since I lived in Iowa, but there seemed to be alot of the attitude "God Bless America, and who cares about the rest?". That's arrogant. Then there were some of my fellow collage students who couldn't find Nicaragua on the map, but knew Olie North was an "American Hero". It's still there, there was a poll of U.S. students recently. They were asked to find BRAZIL on a map. A significant percentage (can't remember ) couldn't do it. The number was high enough that Brazilian newpapers reported it.

At least I should be happy they know where Canada is: ".........it's where the cold weather comes from, Right?";)
 

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Hell I'm still trying to get along with my neighbors, when I got that down pat I'll worry about other countries... :D


J/K guys - Like Robert said just try and remember that we're not all assholes!
 

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Hate to disagree with you Dad, but isn't it that the definition of arrogant or indifferent?
Not to me.:) Ignorance, maybe... insensitive, at least. When a reasonable person does something without realizing it, you can point it out and come to an agreement, probably with somebody apologizing. On the other hand when it's arrogance or indifference, there's no dealing with those bastards. It may seem like splitting hairs, but I think that's a fundamantal difference.:)
 

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... but knew Olie North was an "American Hero".
No he's not. He was the patsy for the Reagan administration's arrogant defiance of our country's policy as determined by Congress. As such, he shouldn't necessarily take the fall and didn't, but you'd be hard pressed to find 25% (probably less than 10%) of U.S. citizens who would call him a "hero". History's not yet done with that debacle. :)
 
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