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This is the shit that really gets my blood boiling. We(Americans) think that other countries want and need are help. They don't care and they don't want our help. Saddam was a animal because that is what him and his fellow country men respect. Democracy will never work in Iraq, We need to start taking care of our own country before we go help out countries that we bombed and starved into the stone age. For once we need to place the priority at home were it belongs. I know it doesn't get headlines but it is the right thing to do. I don't care by who Republican or Democrat just stop with this international police crap.


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Chanting “Fallujah is the graveyard of Americans,” residents cheered after the grisly assault on two four-wheel-drive civilian vehicles, which left both in flames. Others chanted, “We sacrifice our blood and souls for Islam



“There is small core element that doesn’t seem to get it,” he said. “... They are desperate to turn back the hands of time and that just isn’t gong to happen.”

Thank god they want us to help them over there, or this shit would really get ugly.
 

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I think it really nice that you have a positive attitude about the Iraqi occupation. I do know that it is not that easy though Iraq is a very complicated country. Iraq has two large tribes the sunni and the Sh´ia both that want power of the country. The Sunni(Saddam's people) are the ones killing Americans and the SH'ia are on our side as long as they have the upper hand in the country but both really don't care if Americans are killed. The religious leaders of that country teach their people that America and the west is evil and that is enough for them to act out against us. We are being used by that country and our own government.
 

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falconeight said:
I think it really nice that you have a positive attitude about the Iraqi occupation.
I'm sorry, I should have posted it like this.

Thank god they want us to help them over there, or this shit would really get ugly.:rolleyes:


Note the rolleyes to indicate it is dripping with sarcasm. I believe 100% that we should not be over there. And I for one can not see what we think we will gain from it.:2cents:
 

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Tippmann said:
I'm sorry, I should have posted it like this.

Thank god they want us to help them over there, or this shit would really get ugly.:rolleyes:


Note the rolleyes to indicate it is dripping with sarcasm. I believe 100% that we should not be over there. And I for one can not see what we think we will gain from it.:2cents:
OOPS aint I the idiot! Ever feel like your not the brightest apple?:D
 

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though the news is disheartening, where is it written that casulties won't happen during wartime? :huh:

not all of them wanted us there to begin with.
 

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though the news is disheartening, where is it written that casulties won't happen during wartime? :huh:

not all of them wanted us there to begin with.
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It was no secret that not everyone there welcomed us. Why should we expect the attitude of those who were loyal to Saddam or who just plain hate Americans to change?

If we don't need to police the world, then who will? Nobody? Great idea....let chaos run rampant. I'm not saying we've never overstepped our bounds, but somebody needs to throttle back countries who are gross violators of human rights. The system isn't perfect, that's for damn sure, but you can't simply let atrocities go on. Just my opinion anyway. I'm sure it'll draw plenty of bitc...I mean, criticism. :) Fire away!
 

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monkey said:
though the news is disheartening, where is it written that casulties won't happen during wartime? :huh:

not all of them wanted us there to begin with.
Its not war its peace keeping and these are the people we are helping.
 

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I admit that troops being killed isnt a good thing, but in other wars there have been single days with more casualties then in all the time in Iraq. Also we should be watching out for our own good.
We should be going to mid eastern countries who knowingly harbor terrorist and tell them that if they do not kick them out and get rid of them, then they will be attacked either physically, econimically or both.
 

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I didn't know what thread to put this in, but this one seems good enough.
We've been talking in here about whether we feel our troops should be over in Iraq fighting and dying in a shithole of a country that has no concrete ties to terrorism. We haven't found anything that shows they were building WMD's, or that they were really trying to. Everyone has their own opinion, which is understandable. I personally don't feel that we should be there, and I feel bad for the troops. Then today, 2 of my good friends came up to me and said they were called back up, and were going to Iraq when this semester is up. Both of these guys are in the same unit, and are about 25 years old. Both have 1 more year of college before they graduate. And now both are going to a place where they might be killed at any time, by anyone. A kid carrying a back pack, a woman pretending to be pregnant, or just a crazy fuck ramming a barricade with a car full of C4. I don't know how many of you know people know soldiers over there, or how many of you have actual friends there. This news hit me like a kick in the stomach. Two good friends of mine that I may never see again. We spent some time at the bar talking, and I couldn't get either one to trash the president. Both just said that they couldn't believe they were going to fight this "political war". I know you guys are going to rip this up with stuff like "if they didn't want to go they shouldn't have joined the marines", and shit like that. But it's so much fucking harder to get a grip on when you realize you may never see your friends again. No more riding the mountain with Nick, no more of Scott teaching me how to dislocate someone’s shoulder in a fight, not seeing them walk across the stage with me next spring at graduation.

Sorry, just needed to vent.
 

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We spent some time at the bar talking, and I couldn't get either one to trash the president.
i am not suprised. true soldiers who sign up do so with the understanding that they can and will be shipped off at a moments notice, regardless as to whether they agree to the cause or not. :thumb:

my hats off to them. Brian, please tell your frinds "thank you" from me. :thumb:
 

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Tippmann said:
I didn't know what thread to put this in, but this one seems good enough.
We've been talking in here about whether we feel our troops should be over in Iraq fighting and dying in a shithole of a country that has no concrete ties to terrorism. We haven't found anything that shows they were building WMD's, or that they were really trying to. Everyone has their own opinion, which is understandable. I personally don't feel that we should be there, and I feel bad for the troops. Then today, 2 of my good friends came up to me and said they were called back up, and were going to Iraq when this semester is up. Both of these guys are in the same unit, and are about 25 years old. Both have 1 more year of college before they graduate. And now both are going to a place where they might be killed at any time, by anyone. A kid carrying a back pack, a woman pretending to be pregnant, or just a crazy fuck ramming a barricade with a car full of C4. I don't know how many of you know people know soldiers over there, or how many of you have actual friends there. This news hit me like a kick in the stomach. Two good friends of mine that I may never see again. We spent some time at the bar talking, and I couldn't get either one to trash the president. Both just said that they couldn't believe they were going to fight this "political war". I know you guys are going to rip this up with stuff like "if they didn't want to go they shouldn't have joined the marines", and shit like that. But it's so much fucking harder to get a grip on when you realize you may never see your friends again. No more riding the mountain with Nick, no more of Scott teaching me how to dislocate someone’s shoulder in a fight, not seeing them walk across the stage with me next spring at graduation.

Sorry, just needed to vent.
Well let them know that whatever their beliefs about the war are, we thank them for their service and wish them the best of luck while they are away. Hopefully they return home safely. :2cents:
 

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I am in the Army stationed at Fort Knox and I have no problem dieing for my country I actually look forward to it. I do have a problem helping people that would love nithing more than to see us dead. I also have noticed that since the 1st gulf war the Presidents all three of them since then see deploying the military as a chance to make history and better themselves politically. It needs to stop. Every year we find ourselves in a new conflict or war. Pretty soon the military will start to degrade. Our equipment is already suffering moral might be next.
 
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