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Well gas prices are up to $2.70 for 87 octane in my area so I'm looking at bikes.

My parents used to ride and my dad always had the big bikes (1 liter) and my parents have said get a big bike, you want the power. Is this still true with the newer bikes? Also what kind of gas mileage can I expect from a 650 vs. 1 liter? Also the 650's I'd figure that they don't get their power until they are way up in the rpm range which I would think would make them more dangerous when you want to get out of the way. I'm new to all of this. I done trail riding on dirt bikes but haven't done that in a few years. What kind of 0-60 are you looking at for a 99-00 year range 650 vs. 1 liter? Can you use 87 octane?
 

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Thats funny.
a modern 600 puts out more then 100hp to the road. They have plenty of power. more than you would want for a first bike.

Gas milage hovers in the high 30s and 40s.

0-60 is about 3 sec for 600's and 2.5 sec for liters

Look at an SV650. Its a great starter, that wont leave you bored for a while. Its a twin, so it wont feel peaky. And there is lots of aftermarket support for it.
 

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You should have done a search on this. People are going to tear you a part. Anyway, my 2c.
I started on a R6, and I think I handle the bike just fine. People will tell you that it is to aggessive in the way it handles and such, but I do fine on it. As far as power goes, you are right about the low range. My bike doesn't take off until about 8K RPMs, which I like. It helps keep me out of trouble in corners and off starts. If I decide to go fast, it goes...very fast. Make sure you get good gear. I would not start on a liter bike. You can get in too much trouble, too fast. My friend has an R1, and the low end power is incredible. he can pop his tire loose with the flick of the throttle(He can get the front up doing the same). From what I have read on this forum, the quarter mile times are not all that different from the R6 and R1. That is just what I have read though. Hope this helps and good luck. BTW, check out the crash pics in the photos forum.
 

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Read this thread and it'll save lots of us time. Then come back with questions that don't fit into that conversation so you'll get a more personalized response!

Welcome!
 

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Two points to consider: I've never seen newbies torn apart for asking for advice on literbike as first bike, in fact 90% of the questions we get are of this category, and yet many of us do take the time to give our best suggestion, as such is the case.

Secondly, just to get facts straight, it's the lap time where R1 and R6 are very close (or any 600s VS 1000s from their respective manufacture for that matter), i.e. tracks with twisties and straights, and given two riders of equal skill, these performance figures are apparent. But in straight 1/4 mile, R6 averages about low 10s, and R1 averages about low 9s, stock to stock under experienced riders. This is nowhere near as close, as 1 second is a great difference in the world of racing. For street riders, it may not be much, but it does determine the power delivery of each bike. Even if R1 is only "1 second" faster, it is true this bike will pull from ANY rev range, and clutchless wheelie is easy in any gear, except for 6th.

Having said all this, to Josh: Get an older 600 cc pre-2000 era or Suzuki SV650, you'll be much thankful for the skill you'll quickly gain now, which will be really handy for the big bikes. Because with big bikes, you have no room for error, but small bikes do tolerate these mistakes and give you room to learn.
 

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I guess I didn't read that right. 1 second is a big deal in the racing world, but for a street rider, it's not that big of a deal. I was just trying to state that the difference between the two bikes is mostly in the lower range.
 

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joshp, if your parents had big litre bikes you might as make, size & year. Even the modern 1000cc plus cruiser will not have the power of the Suzy SV-650 tack in a "power to weight" gain in such a bike.

I can only say with my '97 Yamaha YZF600r on the hwy I get around 55mph while my 929 & 954 use up a bit more. So the SV-650 should do even better then 55mpg.

So there is a figure you can use along with the power factor of the SV-650 Vs big bikes.
 

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I doubt that Smitty, I think the SV650 would get about 45 mpg on the highway, and 40 on streets. Because I think V-twins aren't as efficient in fuel consumption as 4 cylinders or vertical twins of equal CCs. Plus there's two version: first generation has carbs and the current ones are FI, so the former would consume more fuel. I have the first gen, and I've reset trip meter to see how much miles I get from full tank, it doesn't look promising as Ninja 250's mpg. Also it has a lot to do with what gear I'm in, if I shortshift to 6th every time, I'm sure I'd get more miles out of it.
 

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kanwisch said:
Read this thread and it'll save lots of us time. Then come back with questions that don't fit into that conversation so you'll get a more personalized response!

Welcome!
I'm new to the board and in all honesty I didn't know where or how to start my search. I never would have thought about typing in debate to get to a related thread. Thanks for the link.
 

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I doubt that Smitty, I think the SV650 would get about 45 mpg on the highway, and 40 on streets. Because I think V-twins aren't as efficient in fuel consumption as 4 cylinders or vertical twins of equal CCs. Plus there's two version: first generation has carbs and the current ones are FI, so the former would consume more fuel. I have the first gen, and I've reset trip meter to see how much miles I get from full tank, it doesn't look promising as Ninja 250's mpg. Also it has a lot to do with what gear I'm in, if I shortshift to 6th every time, I'm sure I'd get more miles out of it.
Is that supposed to be 25 mpg?
 

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Is that supposed to be 25 mpg?
If you're referring to the sentence where he says, "it doesn't look promising as Ninja 250's mpg." then he was talking about the BIKE called the Ninja 250.
 

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Final questions. Is there a good book out there that I can read to give me tips on riding? I don't feel like having to look at a computer screen and reading through a whole bunch of different threads. Also I don't think I like the sound of v twins. I believe Ducati makes twins and I don't like the sound of their bikes. But from the sounds of that other thread v-twins are smoother throughout the power band.
 

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Unas_the_Slayer said:
If you're referring to the sentence where he says, "it doesn't look promising as Ninja 250's mpg." then he was talking about the BIKE called the Ninja 250.
Gotcha thanks for clarification.
 

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joshp said:
I'm new to the board and in all honesty I didn't know where or how to start my search. I never would have thought about typing in debate to get to a related thread. Thanks for the link.
No problem, I understand there's a first time for everyone on forums.

Obviously you managed to find the New Riders forum, so browse threads (aka discussions) from the past few weeks. Most will be short or obviously uninteresting (like "Hi, I'm here") to you.

In the white space immediately above this blue section you'll see some gray buttons with blue arrows. The Search takes you to a Search page where you can use it much like Google. Put in keywords and you can even narrow the search to specific forums like Gear, New Riders, or How Do I to get responses that are more likely to fulfill your request.

All the up-front searching you do is a sign of someone strongly interested in self-education, which in my book is a sign of maturity in life. It certainly doesn't hurt to ask questions, but the best questions are asked with some indication that you've looked around here and on the Internet for information on the subject.

Whatever the case, we're glad you stopped in and hope you'll hang out a while!
 

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As for books, Check out sport riding techniques, and total control. Both have to do with street riding (and abit of racing)
 

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Final questions. Is there a good book out there that I can read to give me tips on riding? I don't feel like having to look at a computer screen and reading through a whole bunch of different threads. Also I don't think I like the sound of v twins. I believe Ducati makes twins and I don't like the sound of their bikes. But from the sounds of that other thread v-twins are smoother throughout the power band.
I prefer the sound of 4-cylinders as well, but there's a plus side to having a v-twin. No matter what gear or what rpm you're on, it's never buzzy, and by the sound of it, you'd guess you're going slow until you look at the speedo. Even cops tend not to pay attention when v-twins pass by (Ducati, SV, Superhawk, TL-S, etc). But if they hear a 4-cylinder coming, you bet they have their eyes on you.
 
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