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Starts on Saturday. It can be seen by dialing into Speed. In Pacific Time zone it is day one & two a 6:00pm & midnight or 9:00 PM Easten time zone while repeat will be at 3:00am.

One of the most exciting m/c, cages, & trucks event one can watch. Massive sand dunes, wet areas, rocky areas & simply so much more.

One will be looking at 7 countries they will be tearing through, & total distance of 11,052Km. I have not found list of competitors but feel they will be from Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, France, UK, States, Japan, Cdn & others.


IF(?) anyone latches onto the New sight that lists daily events, maps, placings, & who are the competitors I would appreciate it. I know date, times, map, & some info, but lack who are the competitors & what they are driving or riding.

Anyway this is to perk one up into some darn exciting racing & if you have not seen it then for crying out loud to for the riders are almost pooped from day one YET they are in top rate condition.
 

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Did you say it's only shown on the speed channel? If so, that suxxx cuz i don't get it.:(
 

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Thank you for the site Never2Old. I have another one, but feel what you offered to be the best.

To my knowledge it is only on Speed, BUT if I were you Tippmann I would dial around to all the sport sights you can find. Only one yr did Speed send over a crew to cover the event like one time they sent over a crew to cover the Isle of Man TT. The other sports sights can buy the coverage like Speed does now. Hope the latter helps.

Besides the Site Never2Old offered try Goggle & type out Paris to Dakar Rally '04 & good chance you will pick up ANOTHER site as I did. I find the parts in writing & up to date info is always interesting to read ESPECIALLY if you can get some of the live/caned action of the different days.
 

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I am going to steal two posts I put down on another site & scoot them to this one so you will know the action has started on the 'net though we do not see the first two days untill Saturday.
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I looked up all those competiting. On m/cs are seven Brits, three Americans & one Cdn on a Bombardier as is on frog & possibly another European.

Around 184 m/cs still Scott Harden on KTM is in 19th the lst day while Larry Roeseler also on KTM has 44th both being the first few Americans & still ahead of the Brits & one Cdn, but during the first two days it is still over in Spain. Comes 3rd & 4th day they roll over to North West Africa & things will settle down to being more close around the 5th & 6th days IF they are not hit by bandits or something.
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Three bikes, one quad, 3 cars & one truck have not been allowed to compete.

Some of you will remember the great Alfie Cox that has stuggled up amongst the top 20 for so many yrs & was going to retire last yr.

Well he is at it again & I like these words "--Alfie Cox (KTM – n°10). “When I left home (in South Africa) it was 35C°, so it was tough for me. This weather is not for me, I’m a man for sun”, admitted the South African--".

There is so much to read on the reports & come Saturday we will be into the 3rd day of reading about the race & able to see the first & 2nd day ------ give one a bit of an advantage & what to look out for.
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I am bobbing from one Paris to Darak site to the other for info being the one mentioned above by never2old along with
www.dakar.euromaster.com.

Opps I am wrong for the added one is www.dakar.com/2004/us/index.html

In that way I am able to pick off more infor from each of them.

This has me running for I know all the American, Brit & one (if still allowed) Cdn that I can keep track of. Then there are some of the top 10 I have seen compete for the past few yrs & know they will still be at the top bar a surprize from someone more new & climbing.
 

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Agree & you can actually see the f/wheel start to take over.

If that thing lasts & makes it up in top tend then you can bet KTM will be aiming at a team of them next time. Still only 50 is a bit short of what should be out YET this very rally is a big testing grounds for the m/c people.

Interesting to note not to many KTM riders shifted to the more powerful V-twins.
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I remember in '49 when I was offered the AJS 350 Trials & 500 Matchless scrambler (both by AMC) & they asked if I wanted this or that. I turned down the s/arm rear end suspension for the 500 as leaf spring, Vincent's twin shocks, plunger rear ends, hub rear ends to torsion bar suspensions went boing-boing-boing-boing as one went around rough dirt courses & nothing like a trusty ridged rear end in my mind.

Only next yr we sold a few with the s/arm & twin shocks ---- I had a chap pass me in coming DOWN some steep parts while I passed him on the flats, bends & uphill. Bummed his bike & realized THAT was the answer in the way the bike handled on all parts of the MX course so wired for them to send me the kit for the 500. SO every so often something comes up that is better & some of us do not think so at the time.

After all the Brits have tried this, same with those in Spain, Italy & such but all prototypes failed miserably!!!!!!!!
 

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Thanks never2old.

What has impressed me is Scot Harden pulls in with a 6th place, Krausel has 20 & Roesler has 25th.

If you note on the start of day 9 they are listing the m/cs, cars & trucks that are NOT starting which tells one vehicles & riders are breaking down.

Nissan cars are having trouble with clutch & cog boxes & just so many more, but I mention Nissan as Colin McRae is with a sick Nissan. Last year Nissan looked good only to loose out around middle of the race & looks like the same this time.

The young Australian from a small town & backing of money for him to purchase a KTM, enter the Dakar & such was doing quite well yesterday only to break his left ankle & continued onto the finish line ---- obviously the finish for him STILL what guts in all that soft & loose sand.

I did thing this part below sums up what the Dakar is like: ' Jean-Louis Schlesser (Schlesser Ford n°200) who felt slightly frustrated. "Anyhow, on this rally, only three drivers know how to navigate : Jutta, Masuoka and Peter. All the others got lost, including myself and it costs us 30min".' Not necessarily pointing a finger at his navigator but himself & to think each car has a driver & a navigator while a poor m/c rider has to do all on his own. The cars & m/cs going north, south, east & west, at the same time, at one point was a sight to behold as being so so typical of the Paris to Dakar & even more so in the days of map & hand compass days.

Still in past Dakar rallies people have been lost up to four days, but those were in the days of basically fixed winged aircraft were all they could afford to hire for such searches & the choppers for ambulance service & the chap that ran/controlled the rally.
 

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Obviously something has made a big change in the Paris to Dakar. Read below:

08:00 Modification of the rally route


For security reasons concerning the rally and the competitors, the organisation feels it is necessary to modify the 10th and 11th stages between NEMA and MOPTI and between MOPTI and BOBO DIOULASSO. Both stages have been cancelled and replaced by a liaison all the way to BAMAKO and then to BOBO DIOULASSO.
The liaison to BAMAKO will be free for all vehicles except for the bikers who will be flying there by plane. For the liaison to BOBO DIOULASSO, all competitors will have a free liaison.
This decision has been taken in accordance with the Mali and French authorities.
The rally will therefore stop on Saturday the 10th of January in BAMAKO and will head to BOBO DIOULASSO on Sunday the 11th. A rest day will be staged there as planned.
The rally organisation.

Something has made a major change & line SIX indicates that possibly bandits or terrorists are ganging up or that the conditions have changed dramatically. They have tested these parts of the course some months ago. Reason they were able to map them out, had agreements with the govts of the countries, small towns, etc.

Possibly Toby Moody will be allowed to fill us in on what this was all about.

So anyone that thinks the Paris to Dakar is like the normal rally races can see (if they have not already seen the terrian & tough riding on Speed) it is more like an Enduro & even that sounds to mild.
 

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Interesting Smitty... I've been following it on SPEED they actually have some pretty good coverage there. Then have to go to the web to see what place everyone is in. I can't even imagine riding that terrain for that long. Those guys are trully ironmen/women... I can't imagine it would be fun either but very rewarding if you finished it no matter what place you were in.
 

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Thanks never2old I will have a go at it in a while.

Still the interesting thing of the 13th day of racing (remember days 10 & 11 were not run due to bandits about to hit them) it was David Fretigne on that one "works" 450 Yamaha 2-wheel that took in first for the day. Man I am telling you if this bike makes it to the finish that type of bike will be a big seller for Yamaha.

Still Larry Roesler came in with 9th today so he is really honking & good for the States.

Of interest at the 9th day there was this Japanese woman (name Yuki Tanaka) still riding a KTM 660 & willing to help a downed & injured male rider. Knowing that most Japanese women are not tall that is quite a feat & the fact that she obtained 52nd place on the 9th day. Still she must have been knocked out to-day. Probably the last woman m/c rider.
 
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