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I'm buying a new bike next year, possibly earlier, but stumped on which one. I'd like to hear some opinions after you read AND CONSIDER my dilemma:

I can get the R1 and CBR929 very cheap, and immediately. I know everything about these bikes because I was going to buy one (929)last year before I ended up buying my NSX instead. Now my choices include a new bike that I don't really know that much about, except for what the magazines say. Here's the lowdown the way I see it:

2001 Yamaha R1: $9299, Best looking, not real comfortable, awesome power but not really user friendly power. Less reliable than Honda, more than Suzuki. Basically a wheelie machine with good looks. Available immediately.

2001 Honda CBR929: $8999, Worst looking, most comfortable, Best reliability and reputation. More usable power than R1, but slower overall. Cheapest and my personal choice due to reputation and love for Honda bikes basically.

2001 Suzuki GSXR1000: $10200-10400 (lowest I could get). Excellent looks save for a few spots I'd probably try to hide, Ungodly power, comfort and power range unknown but probably excellent in both. Reliability leaves immense amounts to be desired. Don't really want to have to say I own a Suzuki based on past reputation, although the GSXR750 changed some of that (not reliability). Can't get until March 2001 or later.

Ok, I know where my choice is already, but maybe someone can sway me. I'm ready to either buy or put a deposit down immediately, so I'd like some ideas. Are my OPINIONS totally off base? Those prices are actual prices I can get them for, I'd take the Suzuki if I could get it around the R1/929 prices, but I think I'd still be in for the first year production problems. Anyway.....IDEAS?
Thanks all!
 

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Hey forget those bikes! Get the new Goldwing!! Its so sweet! Great power, you KNOW the comfort and reliability! :D


Ok, honestly, get the 929 unless you're on the track alot. You said it yourself: the 929 is more comfy and has better street manners.

I agree with what you said about the Suzuki, especially the first year of a new design?!? It will be a great bike by the second year though, even being a Suzuki.

The R1 is a different story. Chris LOVES his and Im sure it's a great bike, but I test rode one ~ya, only for about 3 miles on city streets~ but I was no blown away with power like I anticipated. Very nice bike anyway and looks to kill!
 
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Killer, first, WELCOME to Sportbikeworld!

It sounds like you have done a bit of research. Can we assume that you have some experience riding sportbikes? I ask because someone with little experience, IMO, would be better off with the 600cc class of sportbikes. Yeah, less "bark" than the litre bikes, but also less "bite", if you know what I mean. ;)

So, now stepping off of my soapbox, my vote goes to the 929 for the reasons you stated. It's way more sportbike than any rider will ever sensibly need on the street. Same with the R1, GSXR1000, and the ZX9R, but I like Honda just a smidgeon better.

Again, welcome to SBW! Let us know which way you go.
 

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nsx, i'm assuming you have ridden a sportbike for some amount of time, so i won't bore you with 'sv650/msf/little bikes will make you faster' talk. but if i'm wrong, read small bikes kick ass

the dependability issues you refer to are mainly, well, crap.

the gsxr won't have the tranny problems the 750 has.

the r1 has the cush drive and hub problem, but should be fixed by now. even if it's not, i talked to chris at fcycle.com (a parts dealer) and he bought rc comp rims for his. there is such a high demand for r1 wheels that the new rims didn't cost 'that much'.

honda does have a great dependability rep, but it's not a valid reason to buy one.

now if i was picking, the r1 would be sweet, but it is uncomfortable, worse than a 916 (imo).

the gsxr (well i own a 00 750). but then everyone wants to talk about how cool your bike is and all that (it does get annoying).

then there's the 2001 929. i was looking at it in yel/black and i have to say it a looker.

my girlfriend won't ride on the back of an r1 rider seat is too long. she no fan of the gsxr, so maybe the 929 would've been a better choice.
 

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First of all, thanks everybody that replied. Trust the fact that I'm reading all the responses whether or not I reply.

Pete- Thanks for the welcome, I've actually been registered to this board for quite awhile as (I think) Renegade55, but I couldn't get that profile to work so I gave up, my email has changed anyway. I've posted mainly in the Kawasaki area (own a '93 ZX-6e, selling it this weekend). I've been riding for 7+ years, so I have the experience and need a bigger bike. I'm a huge sportbike fan (have been for years) and read all the magazines and online articles/forums, so yeah, I have done plenty of research.

cbrf2boy- My choice would be the Yellow/Black in the 929, blue in the R1, or silver/black in the gsxr. Don't take this as a flame, I'd looking for info, not a fight: How do you know the gsxr1000 won't have the tranny problems or the 750, or different (major) problems altogether? I think Suzuki's have had a long reputation as the least reliable of the big 4 (kaw,honda,yam, suz), even if they have cleaned that image up some lately, I'm still worried. Reliability IS a major factor for me- I've had a '93 ZX-6 that has never had ANY major problems, and runs perfect as old as it is. I'd like my next bike to do the same for me, whether it's under warranty or not.


Well, it looks so far like my choice of the 929 is being upheld. Thanks for the input!
 
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Well, Killer, glad to see that you are still around! ;)



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honda does have a great dependability rep, but it's not a valid reason to buy one.
Tony, how can dependability not be "valid"? Or did you really mean to say that it is not an exclusive reason, as in you shouldn't buy anything but a Honda because of their reputation for dependability? I'm just curious, because I have never heard anyone dispute the validity of dependability (well, except for Ducati owners. :D HeHe, j/k!)
 

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Guys

Keep the information and opinions coming. I too am at this stage of the buying process.

I was dead set on the black/yellow 929 until I went to the dealer to check it out and what was sitting right next to it... You guessed it a '01 R1!! I haven't been near too many to really take a close hard look at one... Well I did and fell in love.

As much as I love Honda's and the 929 represents top of the line technology, it is a bit bland looking and really doesn't grab me by the nuts like I want, so to speak. Hell my VFR still keeps my eyes glued to it when I'm not on it. That's how the R1 is for me.

Unfortunately I have never ridden either of these bikes but in the showroom they felt so similiar in rider position that I am swaying the R1 route. The R1's handlebars seem to be narrower(ala gixxers) and the 929's are wider(which I prefer)... The windscreens, though the 929 looks a little better, will both smack me right in the chest and probably work with the pull of the bike to throw me off the back. :) The biggest thing came from a few friends that were with me said I looked like I fit the R1 better. That my legs at least fit the cut-out on the tank better than the 929. My legs are above the cutouts on the 929 unless my ass is at the back of the seat, and we all now the 929 has a tendency to always push you forward.

So anyway, I am a bit torn in the same way NSX is. I can get the R1 for about the same price as the 929 or close, so it's not a money issue.

I still am leaning towards the R1 though, on sheer looks.

Ian
 

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2000VFR- That's a good point, I've never been on a R1.


Any 2000/2001 R1 owners that can give some insight into the degree of improvements over the '99 R1 (windshield, riding position, basic comfort, etc)?
 

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tony should be a little softer.

NSX, the shift shafts on the 750 are hollow, the fix is a solid shaft which are supposed to used on the 1000. i haven't heard one bit on trouble with the solid staffs. that's why i doubt that you'll see the same troubles. as for other problems, i'd doubt it because it shares so much with the 750 which is in it's second year. trust me i'm not here to sell you a bike. and if you are scared of suzuki's dependability, don't buy it. no flame felt.

PETE, the reason i mention the dependability isn't a viable (though you're right in that should say shouldn't be the only factor) reason to buy a bike is because most segments of japanese motorcycles are all pretty well built and fairly equal. i'm not denying honda's rep, but every manufacturer is building a good bike (except for the 00 750 tranny problems).

last year when roadracingworld compared the 929, gsxr750, r1 and zx9r they said you really couldn't go wrong if bought one based on color alone.

[Edited by cbrf2boy on 11-15-2000 at 09:47 AM]
 
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I'd highly recommend riding before buying, but that is much easier said than done.

Ian, when you think about it, it should be easy to make a decision based on looks when these bikes are so closely matched performance-wise (I know it's not easy, but you get the point). The 929 is a bit more flickable and for most, has better street ergos, but the R1 does have the edge in power-to-weight ratio. The 929 has FI, but the R1's carburetion is excellent. The 929 has a cooler tail trunk. ;)

Get the one that gives you wood! :D
 

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I unfortunately haven't seen the trunk on the R1... Though the 929 has an unusually large space between the pillion seat and the tail. Very unlike Honda, to the point where when I asked the dealer to open it the manual and all paperwork were drenched from them washing it. I also was not fond of the big space between the tank and frame, the point where the airbox is showing. That doesn't make sense to me.

I'm just hoping that real world ergos would be very similiar. As in, I'm going to be uncomfortable on either so I might as well pick the good looking ripper.

I'm also not too keen on carbureation, but they did say it's the best in the business.

Then again this is just an experiment for me... I'm just trying the open class while I wait to see what Honda does with the Blackbird. :)

BTW, a big factor here, I'm 6'4" and 230ish lbs. I'm certainly not built like the rag writers. :)

Ian
 

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To think I'm having this conversation now with you guys when by the end of the week I was/might be buying the R1... Weird... Good timing.

Ian
 
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Though the 929 has an unusually large space between the pillion seat and the tail. Very unlike Honda, to the point where when I asked the dealer to open it the manual and all paperwork were drenched from them washing it.

Granted, it's far from being a water-tight seal, but anyone with half a brain would waterproof its contents. The guy that washed the bike was, plain and simple, a moron. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend Honda or the 929. Had that same guy washed the R1, I'm sure the results would have been the same. Of the big four, Honda is my favorite, but I am not brand-loyal. Not directed at you Ian, but I find it humorous that for years riders complained that Honda's fit and finish was so perfect that their bikes were boring, and now, with the release of not-so-refined bike, people are still complaining. And, IMO, the "fit and finish" on all of today's open class Japanese bikes is excellent.

Now, enough of this nit-picking, go get that R1! And get the red/white/black, it makes it look more like a Honda! :D
 

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I'm pretty sure the R1 has FI now too. I'm hoping the place I'm going to buy the bike from ($8999 for the CBR929 and $9299 for the R1) will let me put down the $9k+ and then ride each of them to decide which I want, but yeah, I doubt it will happen. Big difference from buying a car. It's about time for the bike dealers to learn selling tactics and respect, but that's a whole new topic entirely! =)


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I'd highly recommend riding before buying, but that is much easier said than done.

The 929 has FI, but the R1's carburetion is excellent. The 929 has a cooler tail trunk. ;)
 

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Nope the R1 is carbureted... That and the 9R are the last of the 3/4's liters and up bikes not to be FI... Odd isn't it?? All that money and they don't offer any FI... Does Yamaha make ANY bike with FI??

Of course I don't see Kawi's reasoning. They do it on the 12R why not the 9?

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one thing good about carbs...jetting is cheaper than pcii's.

the r1 is carbed. rockland cycle (ivan) sells needles that everyone raves about. i have gotten used to the fi on the gsxr and i hear the 929 is at least as good, but the carbs are sweet on the r1 (especially with the needles).

r1's have big trunks, if you don't buy a tail enclosure. if you buy the enclosure (at least on 98-9 models) you lose a lot of space. the diamond led tail lights gives a lot of it back.
 

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one thing good about carbs...jetting is cheaper than pcii's.

the r1 is carbed. rockland cycle (ivan) sells needles that everyone raves about. i have gotten used to the fi on the gsxr and i hear the 929 is at least as good, but the carbs are sweet on the r1 (especially with the needles).

r1's have big trunks, if you don't buy a tail enclosure. if you buy the enclosure (at least on 98-9 models) you lose a lot of space. the diamond led tail lights gives a lot of it back.
Can you send me Ivan's number or information... I would be interested in getting in touch with him.

I haven't seen the trunk in the R1, is it OK? What do you mean with your last statement?

Ian
 

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ian, check out the r1 forum for the rockland county ad.

if you've seen the tail enclosures (eurotail, daussalt, etc.) the tail lights are moved back a few inches and make the trunk nearly useless in the r1. diamond lights (also a forum advertiser) are an led light that fits where the stock lights would (come in different colors, my friend skip has blue ones on his r1). they are thinner and give most of the trunk back.

it's likely not as big as the 929's even with diamond lights, but still big enough to fit a couple of video tapes or a couple of drinks.

i haven't seen the 2000/2001 enclosures, but dennis, the r1 forum's owner, told me that robert (daussalt's onwer) was trying to make a tail enclosure that uses the old tail lights. don't know what happened with it. you'd have to checkout his page, also off the forum.

daussalt's tails also can be ordered with small amber directionals, which is really nice. they aren't ugly and much safer.

note: the r1 forum doesn't seem to up right now. i'll e-mail dennis and see what's up. i'll hopefully have an answer for you tomorrow.

[Edited by cbrf2boy on 11-15-2000 at 01:22 PM]
 
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