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Normally I would say more power the better... I'm not sure in this case. I am looking to get a R1 soon. I have experience ect... So my question is this: if i come out of a turn or take off from a red light ect... how hard/ easy is it to wheelie. I don't want to be wheeling by accident, on purpose is a different story. I am used to being able to twist the trottle all the way when taking off the line (I realise I wont be able to do this). Everyine talks about doing wheelies, I just don't want to do them all the time. Basically I am just curios on just how hard/ easy it is too wheelie by accident.
 

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Just by asking the question - you do not need an R1.

"How hard/easy is it to wheelie by accident?"

Read that back to yourself a few times real slow...

Wow, I'm in total amazment...





-M-
 

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mine comes up at 8k rpm all on its own.
What kind of expirience do you have? I wouldnt recomment any supersport including the 600's as a first bike.

They also flip over from the front brake...
 

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You don't want to wheelie by accident? :huh: I wheelied my F3 by accident coming out of a corner once.. I don't think you really know what you're asking.
 

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I have experience...3 years riding, that comes to a total of roughly 13,000 miles. I currently own a Virago 750 and want to upgrade. I have ridden my friends R6 a couple of times for short rides. I never really got a chance to really feel the power; for he was on my bike and we took it easy. Like I stated before I am looking to purchase an R1 and was wondering how it rode. On my bike I can accelarate as fast as the bike can and the front wheel comes up a matter of 6" or so. I was wondering what to epect from a R1. To rephrase the question: how cautious do you have to be not to wheelie (when riding next to your mother!)? How much power can you use when coming off the line, 50% or is it closer to 30% or what? How about coming out of a turn that you took at say 30 mph. I am just trying to get a 'feel' for a R1 before I start looking more seriously.
 

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getting the bike to wheelie is directly proportional to how far you wind the throttle open. If you do a normal start off the line and then wind it to full open you will get a power wheelie. If you pussyfoot around the front end will stay firmly planted. Since most 1 liter superbikes will go 100+ mph in first gear and leave big black streaks on the ground from wheel spin and power wheelie in second gear at 100+ mph I wouldn't recomend any of them as a first bike. My z1000 isn't nearly as fast as an R-1 but it is still more then most beginners can handle. If you've had some experience then get one and take it easy until you become accustomed to the power delivery.:2cents:
 

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mstrand_68 said:
Just by asking the question - you do not need an R1.

"How hard/easy is it to wheelie by accident?"

Read that back to yourself a few times real slow...

Wow, I'm in total amazment...

-M-
+1 ;)
 

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From experience on the R1, I'd have to advise you to quickly educate that right hand of yours and watch the speed. I am usually at 130 mph just getting onto the freeway at an entrance ramp. The bike does not ever feel like it is going that fast. But it does. You get a little cocky, you can flip it in third gear. Maybe be even higher gears, but I haven't had enough road to get it that fast in a higher gear at high rpm's.
 

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iam consened that you are even considering a r1 after asking that question , liter bikes wheelie very easily, see if you can take your friends r6 out again and give it some and imagine someting with 400cc more engine and that is the r1. i have never rode a r1 but my honda is its equal just like the zx-10 and if you have never rode 1 i would sugest something like a r6 for awhile before going up to the r1. if you do get the r1 take it very easy till you get use to it then continue taking it easy for a bit longer.
 

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You won't get a feel for the bike by asking questions on an internet forum, either. (Partly because you'll get a lot of smartass replies like this one! :twofinger)
 

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When you are dealing with the next thing to what is being raced then you have a maze of power & torque with even limited use of the throttle, tack on the fact that they are NOT forgiving bikes if you make any small errors. Often in turning up the wick when going around a bend you need to be super cautious for the front end can come up or you might find the rear wheel is spinning away & trying to catch up to the front.

Like most bikes you have to learn how to ride an entirely new breed & design of m/c with an amazing different riding form compared to your old Virago 750 which is so gentle with power, not 'comming on pipe' with the bike wanting to tear out of your hands, certainly not as comfortable as your Virago while the brakes are simply dramatic & many a rider has gone down because of a hair to much pressure on the front brakes or a bit to clumbsy a rear foot to have the rear end locked up & not even feeling it at first. Remember the bike was designed for racing & the weight of the bike is up to the front of the bike.

You Virago was of early 80s design & engineering as a nice comfortable around town or touring bike & here you are with '04 to '06 updated engineering & desgn for winning races-----over 20+ yrs difference. We use to say "--bikes have changed dramatically in past 10yrs--" & now we are saying "--this XYZ bike is dramatically changed in these past four years-----".

My '00 Honda 929 is quite different in handeling & power compared to my '03 Honda 954 & I found that hard to believe though each time I take out one or the other I have to remind myself of what I am riding & it will be different in many small ways even though I am so accustom to both bikes in these past years.
 

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Great thing about a stocker 600 is you can go WOT every time after normal start, and has very little chance of looping if the weight is placed correctly on the front or a little bit of rolling off. Especially on the older bikes, roll off isn't needed except for upshift. Luckily, I never had those oh shit moments when taking the bike into redline 1st gear and shifting to 2nd.
 

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Throttle is controlled by the right hand.
Clutch is controlled by the left.
Both of above are controlled by the brain.
If it (the brain) is warmed up and engaged before swinging a leg over a bike wheelies should be a non-issue.
 

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I have a question: why not just get an R6??? I highly doubt you're going to be disappointed with the power, or get sick of it. I've actually read some replies from other members on here who have gone from, or plan on "downgrading" from their litre bike to a 600. That kind of power for the street really isn't necessary(but can be fun).
 

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Monty1000 said:
I have experience...3 years riding, that comes to a total of roughly 13,000 miles. I currently own a Virago 750 and want to upgrade. I have ridden my friends R6 a couple of times for short rides. I never really got a chance to really feel the power; for he was on my bike and we took it easy. Like I stated before I am looking to purchase an R1 and was wondering how it rode. On my bike I can accelarate as fast as the bike can and the front wheel comes up a matter of 6" or so. I was wondering what to epect from a R1. To rephrase the question: how cautious do you have to be not to wheelie (when riding next to your mother!)? How much power can you use when coming off the line, 50% or is it closer to 30% or what? How about coming out of a turn that you took at say 30 mph. I am just trying to get a 'feel' for a R1 before I start looking more seriously.
I would say that you need a 500 ninja ..The difference in power between the Virago and a R1 is huge and the handling is totaly different..And as far as wheelies go , if you want to do wheelies find a vacant parking lot because if you get caughtdoing wheelies on the street , "reckless driving, illegal operation of a vehicle"...I know from experience...$750 in fines that was 12 years ago..plus wheelis are hard on the forks and wheel bearings.

As far as an R1 if you really think you need it buy one thats ben wrecked so if you drop it you wont be out $$$$$$$$....
 

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Ok, how about this. On the street, even with agressive and illegal sort of riding the throttle is very rarely open more then 10%.
 

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R1????

Monty,
I jumped from a Virago 1100 to a YZF600R about 5 months ago so I can give you some first hand experience on the difference.
Other than having two wheels the two bikes are not even related. It's like the difference between a 1985 Caddy and a 2005 Porshe.
And the YZF600 isn't even close to a modern 600 in performance.
It will only do 0-100 in 15sec. and tops out at only 155. It will only pull wheelies in first and second and then only if you dump the clutch. But you can still loop a wheelie or flip a stoppie if you really try.
Now what was it that you want this R1 to do???
Another consideration is insurance. Got a rate quote yet?
And will it get 60mpg just cruising and 50 wound up in the twisties?
My suggestion is to buy a used R6, CBR600, or Ninja 636 and spend the difference on track school.
Believe me, you will still need to be REALLY careful with the throttle and the brakes until you get used to the handling of a newer 600. They are absolutely awesome.
If you really learn how to ride a 600 you will leave the liter bikers wondering what the hell you did to that little motor. The only place the big bikes have any real advantage is over 100mph on the straights.
Good luck whatever you choose and ride safe!
Kim
 

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There's also 650-1000 CC sport v-twins, has all the great torque if not more of 600 cc or literbikes, but down low and mid. They roughly put about 60-120 hp, without the guaranteed unwanted wheelies from literbikes.

Among the Japanese, you have the SV650/1000, 996 Superhawk, Honda RC51. And the controversial TLS and TL-1000R.

And more expensive, Ducs, just about all of them with v-twins.
 

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Monty1000 said:
Normally I would say more power the better... I'm not sure in this case. I am looking to get a R1 soon. I have experience ect... So my question is this: if i come out of a turn or take off from a red light ect... how hard/ easy is it to wheelie. I don't want to be wheeling by accident, on purpose is a different story. I am used to being able to twist the trottle all the way when taking off the line (I realise I wont be able to do this). Everyine talks about doing wheelies, I just don't want to do them all the time. Basically I am just curios on just how hard/ easy it is too wheelie by accident.
More power=more experience.
Reason: things happen a lot quicker than you think on a R1. I could be wrong but you seem to be more concerned with doing wheelie than what the bike has to offer as a whole, So the question you're really asking is "how easy is it to do a wheelie on the R1?" but with a twist by adding "Accidental wheelie" or want us to believe it's a legit question. ;)

I assure you it's very easy to do a wheelie on a R1. I owned a R1 for number of years and just sold it couple of months ago. You respect the power and you'll be fine, but if you're not careful you can find yourself on your back side pretty quick.

I have RC51 and I will be purchasing another bike very shortly, 06 ZX-10 and although I’ve been riding for almost 16 years including club racing, the power and the capability of R1 never seems to amaze me both on the track and on the street. I can honestly say that I’ve NOT ridden my R1 to its maximum potential even with my experience because I am not a AMA racer such as that of Mat, or any other riders.

I will not tell you shouldn't buy the R1 because it's a great bike but you have to ask yourself do you have enough experience to exploit even 1/4 of bike's capability and power to the ground without laying it on its side. Like I said before, if you respect it then you won't be disappointed with front wheel coming up at will and NOT accidentally. :thumb:
 

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What everybody said.:)

An EX-500 will be a step up in performance from a Virago. Especially in cornering.:thumb:
 
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