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04-14-2001 09:44 PM
Blackbird Okay, I know I'm a bit late joining this thread, but I gotta put in my 2c.

Frankly this whole incident scares me. Two nuclear powers getting very very angry at each-other. Yeah that makes me feel comfortable! It is like a game of "chicken" - who'll back off first? If neither side gives way they end up crashing into each-other.

Who was at fault? In my opinion the Chinese aircraft was 100% to blame. That BBC report mentioned something about 400m between the aircraft. In this incident they would have been a hell of a lot closer than that. As for the EP3 "suddenly" turning. That is just total BS. On an aircraft that size, nothing happens suddenly. They have a huge amount of momentum to overcome to get the aircraft to turn. It's like someone on a bike making a "sudden" turn at 300kph. Not happening.

The apology: both sides are claiming victory here because of a difference of translation. In english it reads "we are sorry that it happened" but it does not infer any responsibility. When translated into Chinese the word that was used DID infer that the Americans were taking responsibility for the mid air collision. Hence the Chinese are treating it as a victory.

anyway I gotta go!
04-14-2001 03:40 PM
Re: US Apology

Originally posted by GreenNinja
( a friend sent me this, i thought i was pretty good)

Now thats funny
04-13-2001 10:19 PM
US Apology

( a friend sent me this, i thought it was pretty good)
04-11-2001 04:17 PM
Rogue_Biker I guess I just flunked Geography.
04-11-2001 02:25 PM
748 Abuser
Originally posted by Rogue_Biker
Oh yeah.

Central African News:

Coup de ta.
Ethnic Cleansing.

Did I miss anything?
Yes, you did. The article was in reference to
SOUTH Africa, *not* Central Africa.

If you can't pay attention in class, go to the
principals office.
04-11-2001 02:20 PM
Rug Burn Don't forget saggy breasts.
04-11-2001 02:16 PM
Rogue_Biker Oh yeah.

Central African News:

Coup de ta.
Ethnic Cleansing.

Coup de ta.
Enthic Cleansing.

Did I miss anything?
04-11-2001 11:47 AM
748 Abuser Chinese - Shminese.
Apologies - Shamologies.


That's about as exciting as this NEWS FLASH!

Soweto power cuts to be challenged

Soweto residents are planning a case against Eskom
and the government in the Constitutional Court as
tension reaches boiling point over large- scale
electricity disconnections.

This week Eskom launched more aggressive cut-offs,
fuelling the crisis in one of South Africa's biggest and
poorest townships. On Thursday residents held a mass
meeting in Soweto to launch Operation Khanyisa
(to light) to prepare for future action. About 20 000
residents a month are being disconnected, as Eskom
tries to recover its R1,2-billion debt of unpaid electricity
in central Gauteng. In addition, illegal reconnections by
over 50% of residents are costing Eskom R50-million a

It is a crisis point for Eskom - but residents say the
corporation is bungling the supply of electricity and
using 'hit-and-run methods, which stink', as workers
cut off electricity and reconnect it.

Soweto residents say chaos reigns as Eskom's meters
are either not working or unserviced. They are
extremely unhappy about the high reconnection fees
charged and the fact that Eskom uses 'aggressive'
outsourced companies which earn R70 a household
a disconnection - an incentive to cut off supply.

Many complain they receive two bills a month, one from
the local council and another from Eskom's head office,
creating confusion. They claim there is rampant bribery
between many Eskom officials and residents. They are
also concerned about the safety of their children, as
live wires are often left dangerously in the open.

The residents' constitutional case will centre on their
right to free electricity as part of basic services that
the government promised, the abuse of their human
rights as there is no notification before electricity is cut
off, and the phenomenally high cost of electricity for
the poorest of the poor.

Oh wait, I know, let's re-hash Norway's legal battles
with regards to international fishing rights and
boundaries. That's sure to be a decades worth of
04-11-2001 09:40 AM
Rogue_Biker [QUOTE]Originally posted by funksouljon
.....If it was a scrub country, the US would just take what we want, our people and plane. But China is the only country who could give the US a run for their money if we acted rashly. And if the US and China squared off, the a lot of the mid east would love to team up with china and see the US fall.

There's not much those mid-east countries can do but offer token support to China. They can barely defend themselves much less, send troops & arms over. I mean, it takes a lot of logistical capability to send armed troops, supplies, and equipment thousands of miles. In any case, in a war with China, the only way to win is to destroy their infrastructure and weapon making capability. That means the ability to reach US soil. They can't do that. But the US can easily reach the Chinese mainland and destroy their factories, roads, bridges, etc. That's always been US Military's SOP when we go to war. It's worked in WW2, the later stages of the Vietnam War, the Gulf War, & the Balkans.

I bet 6 days and nights of saturation bombing would really soften up the Chinese attitude.

If that was done, there wouldn't be any Chinese left except in China Town! Seriously. The only thing that will soften up the Chinese attitude is complete and total defeat. We would need a Pearl Harbor like attack to get that kind of public support!
04-11-2001 09:25 AM
Rogue_Biker Guys, go to FoxNews. They have both the letter from the US Minister to China and Bush's statement.

From reading then, all the US does is express regret for the loss of the missing Chinese pilot AND an apology for landing in Chinese soil without permission from China. It does NOT apologize for the collision, which is what the Chinese President has been demanding.

Many agree that China's President made an error by immediately demanding a US apology and accepting responsibility for the accident. They backed themselves in a corner, and now, they had to dig themselves out. They had no choice but to accept what we were willing to give them, not what they wanted us to give. So of course, they took these two statements from the US and called it "an apology". This way, they appear to the Chinese people that they got what they demanded.

In my opinion, the US would have sent the same letter/statement of regret to China whether they demanded it or not. Thus, we're not really doing anything that we would not normally do anyway. Read the letters. Are we saying anything new? These are the same things we have been saying since the beginning.

I guess the Chinese aren't so dumb afterall. They know the ball's in their court. They can either profit by releasing the crew, or lose a lot by keeping them further. They chose wisely. I'm very happy for the crew and their families. I'm also very happy with the way the Bush people handled this whole thing. Especially when they told ole' Jessie Jackson to f__k off!
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