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09-01-2008 07:05 PM
rlucas It's the same here, if you refuse a breathalyzer your license will be automatically suspended. Of course if someone feels they would fail the breathalyzer I think I'd rather have the administrative suspension vs a criminal charge. And no, I'm not advocating drinking and driving.
08-30-2008 05:50 AM
Originally Posted by Trep View Post
always know your rights when with the cops. Jus to let you all know you dont have to take drunk driving tests(not sayin to drink and drive and especially not on the bike). My bud got pulled over for drinkin and driving refused the test, they took his DL's on the spot but lawyer got them back right away. He paid bout 500 bucks more then a DUI but nothin on record
Actually that depends on state laws, here you are required to take breathalizer and/or sobriety tests upon request. Failure to do so leads means immediate loss of license, a trip to jail, and possible impound of vehicle. If your filthy drunk you can refuse and end up in jail anyway but as far as getting your license back if you refuse the test(s) it's up to a judge.
08-29-2008 03:56 PM
Originally Posted by JBaz View Post
True, but these are simple laws that we are talking about. A cop can't just "order" someone off of public streets just because they are annoying a cop.
always know your rights when with the cops. Jus to let you all know you dont have to take drunk driving tests(not sayin to drink and drive and especially not on the bike). My bud got pulled over for drinkin and driving refused the test, they took his DL's on the spot but lawyer got them back right away. He paid bout 500 bucks more then a DUI but nothin on record
07-11-2008 08:46 PM
Originally Posted by cookeetree View Post
My Firefox had no problems with the link. Must be a PEBKAC error.
I thought it was an ID ten T error, but it loaded up just fine on firefox once I got home. Who knows. That's the only site I had trouble with all day.
07-11-2008 01:02 PM
Originally Posted by snakesht View Post
Firefox can't find the server at

Cliff notes?
My Firefox had no problems with the link. Must be a PEBKAC error.

07-11-2008 08:58 AM
apuddy Wow that kinda pasted funny
07-11-2008 08:57 AM
apuddy About this Guide
Confrontations that impair the constitutional
right to make images are
becoming more common. To fight the
abuse of your right to free expression,
you need to know your rights to take
photographs and the remedies available
if your rights are infringed.
The General Rule
The general rule in the United States
is that anyone may take photographs
of whatever they want when they are
in a public place or places where they
have permission to take photographs.
Absent a specific legal prohibition
such as a statute or ordinance, you are
legally entitled to take photographs.
Examples of places that are traditionally
considered public are streets,
sidewalks, and public parks.
Property owners may legally prohibit
photography on their premises
but have no right to prohibit others
from photographing their property
from other locations. Whether you
need permission from property owners
to take photographs while on their
premises depends on the circumstances.
In most places, you may reasonably
assume that taking photographs
is allowed and that you do not
need explicit permission. However,
this is a judgment call and you should
request permission when the circumstances
suggest that the owner is likely
to object. In any case, when a property
owner tells you not to take photographs
while on the premises, you are
legally obligated to honor the request.
Some Exceptions to the Rule
There are some exceptions to the
general rule. A significant one is that
commanders of military installations
can prohibit photographs of specific
areas when they deem it necessary to
protect national security. The U.S.
Department of Energy can also prohibit
photography of designated
nuclear facilities although the publicly
visible areas of nuclear facilities are
usually not designated as such.
Members of the public have a very
limited scope of privacy rights when
they are in public places. Basically,
anyone can be photographed without
their consent except when they have
secluded themselves in places where
they have a reasonable expectation of
privacy such as dressing rooms, restrooms,
medical facilities, and inside
their homes.
Permissible Subjects
Despite misconceptions to the contrary,
the following subjects can
almost always be photographed lawfully
from public places:
accident and fire scenes
bridges and other infrastructure
residential and commercial buildings
industrial facilities and public utilities
transportation facilities (e.g., airports)
Superfund sites
criminal activities
law enforcement officers
Who Is Likely to Violate Your Rights
Most confrontations are started by
security guards and employees of
organizations who fear photography.
The most common reason given is
security but often such persons have
no articulated reason. Security is
rarely a legitimate reason for restricting
photography. Taking a photograph
is not a terrorist act nor can a
business legitimately assert that taking
a photograph of a subject in public
view infringes on its trade secrets.
On occasion, law enforcement officers
may object to photography but
most understand that people have the
right to take photographs and do not
interfere with photographers. They do
have the right to keep you away from
areas where you may impede their
activities or endanger safety. However,
they do not have the legal right
to prohibit you from taking photographs
from other locations.
They Have Limited Rights to Bother,
Question, or Detain You
Although anyone has the right to
approach a person in a public place
and ask questions, persistent and
unwanted conduct done without a
legitimate purpose is a crime in many
states if it causes serious annoyance.
You are under no obligation to explain
the purpose of your photography nor
do you have to disclose your identity
except in states that require it upon
request by a law enforcement officer.
If the conduct goes beyond mere
questioning, all states have laws that
make coercion and harassment criminal
offenses. The specific elements
vary among the states but in general it
is unlawful for anyone to instill a fear
that they may injure you, damage or
take your property, or falsely accuse
you of a crime just because you are
taking photographs.
Private parties have very limited
rights to detain you against your will
and may be subject to criminal and
civil charges should they attempt to
do so. Although the laws in most
states authorize citizenís arrests, such
authority is very narrow. In general,
citizenís arrests can be made only for
felonies or crimes committed in the
personís presence. Failure to abide by
these requirements usually means
that the person is liable for a tort such
as false imprisonment.
They Have No Right to Confiscate
Your Film
Sometimes agents acting for entities
such as owners of industrial plants
and shopping malls may ask you to
hand over your film. Absent a court
order, private parties have no right to
confiscate your film. Taking your film
directly or indirectly by threatening to
use force or call a law enforcement
agency can constitute criminal offenses
such as theft and coercion. It can
likewise constitute a civil tort such as
conversion. Law enforcement officers
may have the authority to seize film
when making an arrest but otherwise
must obtain a court order.
Your Legal Remedies If Harassed
If someone has threatened, intimidated,
or detained you because you were
taking photographs, they may be
liable for crimes such as kidnapping,
coercion, and theft. In such cases, you
should report them to the police.
You may also have civil remedies
against such persons and their
employers. The torts for which you
may be entitled to compensation
include assault, conversion, false
imprisonment, and violation of your
constitutional rights.
Other Remedies If Harassed
If you are disinclined to take legal
action, there are still things you can do
that contribute to protecting the right
to take photographs.
(1) Call the local newspaper and see if
they are interested in running a story.
Many newspapers feel that civil liberties
are worthy of serious coverage.
(2) Write to or call the supervisor of
the person involved, or the legal or
public relations department of the
entity, and complain about the event.
(3) Make the event publicly known on
an Internet forum that deals with photography
or civil rights issues.
How to Handle Confrontations
Most confrontations can be defused
by being courteous and respectful. If
the party becomes pushy, combative,
or unreasonably hostile, consider calling
the police. Above all, use good
judgment and donít allow an event to
escalate into violence.
In the event you are threatened with
detention or asked to surrender your
film, asking the following questions
can help ensure that you will have the
evidence to enforce your legal rights:
1. What is the personís name?
2. Who is their employer?
3. Are you free to leave? If not, how do
they intend to stop you if you decide
to leave? What legal basis do they
assert for the detention?
4. Likewise, if they demand your film,
what legal basis do they assert for the
07-11-2008 08:44 AM
Originally Posted by kanwisch View Post
Works alright for me
Firefox can't find the server at

Cliff notes?
07-11-2008 08:40 AM
kanwisch Works alright for me
07-11-2008 08:26 AM
snakesht Linky no worky
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