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12-13-2005 02:31 PM
bmacd wow...quite the debate. I can honestly say I've been where that biker has been...thankfully, the driver and I both acted at the last minute and avoided a should-have-been fatal accident. Both of us were at fault, and I think we both prayed to God we were both still alive.

-=bmacd=-
12-13-2005 01:43 PM
nalius Ouch, yeah from a technical standpoint, the car is 100% at fault. He was headed in the wrong direction of the lane he was in at the time of impact. He wasn't in a clearly marked turning lane and did not signal. He pulled out into the lane very slowly, and made absolutly 0 attempt to evade. he didn't even fully stop before the motorcycle hit him.

This however probably could have been avoided by a more alert/cautious rider. Judging by the shadows it doesn't look like the sun was in his eyes, it definitly wasn't directly in his eyes. He did make an attempt to evade which might have been successful if the driver wasn't completely blocking his lane. He should have been able to see the car because there wasn't another car in front of it. He didn't really leave himself enough time to manouver/brake.

So yeah, preventable, but definitly still completely the car drivers fault.
12-12-2005 03:13 PM
JBaz blue jays. I was refering to this post.

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Originally posted by ESanders2
JBAz

I agree with all that. A left turn in front of you is the most dangerous situation. I usually slow when I see a possibility of a car left-turning in front of me, then flash my brights on and off if necessary.
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Originally posted by Unas_the_Slayer
I hope you don't flash your brights then keep going.. usually that means "go ahead."
12-12-2005 01:57 PM
Blue Jays Hi JBaz-

If that situation presented itself to me while I was riding my motorcycle...I certainly WOULDN'T flash my lights at the last moment. My plan would be to illuminate my brights and lay on the horn. That clearly informs the other driver to stop what they are doing immediately. Flashing can often be perceived as "go ahead" in many scenarios unless one is using a modulator.

~ Blue Jays ~
12-11-2005 10:21 AM
JBaz ^ I've seen that before.

And btw, flashing your brights does mean "go ahead". Just to clearify.
12-11-2005 04:38 AM
slick1537 They are both at fault, wouldn't you slow down if you saw a vehicle getting ready to make a left turn, I know I do. Alot of cage drivers don't even see motorcycles. People scan for vehicles, but can look directly at a motorcycle and not even see it.
12-11-2005 03:09 AM
Blue Jays Hi All-

My feeling is that it's predominantly the fault of the cager for this accident. He or she should have seen the approaching motorcyclist and patiently waited for the rider to pass. Their turn signal should have been blinking for the entire time of this footage. The motorcyclist could have saved himself some pain by slowing significantly in anticipation of likely motorist error.

As far as the phenonemon of the passing motorists...that is known as "shared responsibility" in psychology circles...the concept of which was made famous by the brutal 1964 murder of Kitty Genovese in New York.

~ Blue Jays ~
12-10-2005 06:40 PM
Smitty Many will not have even seen said incident as it was not on their side of the road let alone in the direction they were looking, some are stunned & cannot think of what they will do & by the time they start to think they should help they are some distance away realizing others closer by would have done something. Like it was not as if 50 cages ignored this accident & think it was four that passed though two were almost going buy, when the collision occured.

Some will not do anything for fear of being sued by someone for possibly doing something wrong. Besides those going in the same direcion & behind the accident will automatically be stopped due to tie-up in the only two lanes of the road.
12-10-2005 05:37 PM
ESanders2
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I can't beleive that the vehicles behind the left turner didn't even attempt to help. Those assholes impatiently nudge by and ride off. They must have saw the rider summersault a couple times and smash onto the pavement. I Hope they get in an accident where there legs become immoble while other motorists casually drive by staring at them proceeding with their day.
Yeah that really pisses me off too

They've done studies in which a person in distress (either injured or calling for help) in a public place with lots of people around gets ignored. They think the reason is b/c everyone thinks "someone else will help that guy" because there are so many people around. I guess it's a frequent psychological phenonemon, but it sucks and people need to act responsibly.
12-10-2005 11:12 AM
Ice I can't beleive that the vehicles behind the left turner didn't even attempt to help. Those assholes impatiently nudge by and ride off. They must have saw the rider summersault a couple times and smash onto the pavement. I Hope they get in an accident where there legs become immoble while other motorists casually drive by staring at them proceeding with their day.
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