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09-22-2005 02:21 PM
Vash I'm late but I'll chime in...

I always pull the clutch in the same time as I hit the brake. I'm not concerned in the least about what gear the bike is in, as I want all my available attention to go towards keeping the proper ammount of pressure on the front brake. Engine braking, does the same thing as the rear brake (Slows down the rear wheel) and as you put weight on the front (via front brake) its pretty much useless. So I go ahead and lock up the rear brake at the same time. One motion clutch, rear brake to the stop, and preload the front enough to compress the suspention (about a quater of a second) after that apply enough front brake to barely lift the rear tire. No more then an inch. Anymore and you are actually loosing braking power...

As for getting rear ended. Sure thats a concern, but, between getting rear ended and hitting something head on, I would rather get rear ended. The other car should be slowing down, and will hit me at a relativly low speed. My rear tyre and tail should act as a crumple zone. The subframe should twist, and launch me superman style, if the impact is severe enough. Still while the bike is done for, my chances of living are pretty good. Now, hitting something solid head on, thats hard to live thru...



09-22-2005 02:06 PM
Lost Nomad thnx for the advice guys, i like the difference in opinions here. unas has a valid, though hypothetical point that even if i stopped i'd better start worryin' if there was someone also on my ass and about to rear end me.

key point in this scenario for me was that i panicked... had i been calm about the situation i could have tried downshifting or put some pressure on my rear brakes (as i forgot to do so), thank god i had enough sense to let go of my front brakes though when my rear tire came up

although i must admit, for a split second while i was up on one i felt a great and fun sense of rush
09-20-2005 06:10 PM
cookeetree *sniff, sniff*

Can I smell cooking???



09-20-2005 06:01 PM
Unas_the_Slayer
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Originally posted by Radke2953
(edited for repeating what someone else said!)

No need to get bitchy and start name calling. From what I've seen in other posts and even some of mine.. Z_Fan knows what he is talking about. And you... might know a thing or two... but no need to be a jackass.

I've never even heard of you, but if you are half the pro you make yourself sound out to be and don't want to contribute anything helpful, maybe you should stay out of the "new rider" forum.

P.S. Can someone tell me what a cager is? I've seen the word used a lot throughout these forums but I'm unsure as to what it means.
I'm no "pro" and never said I was. Try re reading my posts. I was just giving advice.. something pretty much everyone does on this site.
09-20-2005 05:58 PM
cookeetree
Quote:
Originally posted by Radke2953
...Can someone tell me what a cager is? I've seen the word used a lot throughout these forums but I'm unsure as to what it means.
"Cage" is bike-talk for car. As in, they're stuck in a cage, instead of riding free, like us.



09-20-2005 05:54 PM
Radke2953
Quote:
Originally posted by Unas_the_Slayer
I don't know about you, but my "hypothetical" bike pulls a lot harder the higher the rpm. That is always advantageous when in any type of emergency situation.

Oh.. and by the way dumbass, that was not a hypothetical situation. I nearly saw my friend get rear ended by a Dakota a few weeks ago because of exactly what I described. Although it wasn't because he pussied out of a yellow light.. a car stalled out in front of him.
(edited for repeating what someone else said!)

No need to get bitchy and start name calling. From what I've seen in other posts and even some of mine.. Z_Fan knows what he is talking about. And you... might know a thing or two... but no need to be a jackass.

I've never even heard of you, but if you are half the pro you make yourself sound out to be and don't want to contribute anything helpful, maybe you should stay out of the "new rider" forum.

P.S. Can someone tell me what a cager is? I've seen the word used a lot throughout these forums but I'm unsure as to what it means.
09-20-2005 04:11 PM
cookeetree I've gotta say, I favour the "f*ck which gear I'm in" method.

Emergency braking should, IMO, involve a liberal dose of front brake and a meagre dose of rear. Rapidly changing down through gears will only bring another hazard into play; compression locking the rear.



09-20-2005 03:40 PM
Unas_the_Slayer
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Originally posted by Z_Fanatic
so now we're going from panic braking to accelerating out as fast as possible? right.... I smell non sequitur rubbish here.


and your friend's situation, how is that related to this topic... I D I O T? anything irrelevant to the scenario started by author is hypothetical... do you even know what that word means?

please think before you type.
No shit it doesn't relate to this exact situation. Read my first post again. I was just pointing out that you should try to downshift as you brake because you should always be ready to get out of a situation. It's the same idea with staying in first gear instead of shifting to neutral at a red light. I wasn't giving advice directly related to the situation, and I never said I was. I merely was giving general advice and then related it to the situation by "what if."

And downshifting requires no concentration. Maybe you can only either brake or downshift but it's really quite easy to do both at the same time..
09-20-2005 03:27 PM
Z_Fanatic
Quote:
Originally posted by Unas_the_Slayer
I don't know about you, but my "hypothetical" bike pulls a lot harder the higher the rpm. That is always advantageous when in any type of emergency situation.

Oh.. and by the way dumbass, that was not a hypothetical situation. I nearly saw my friend get rear ended by a Dakota a few weeks ago because of exactly what I described. Although he didn't pussy out of a yellow light.. a car stalled out in front of him.
so now we're going from panic braking to accelerating out as fast as possible? right.... I smell non sequitur rubbish here.

let me spell it out for you, when you disengage the clutch as you downshift and let the clutch out, it takes time, even when you disengage the clutch and do multiple downshift, it takes time again... get it? there's no engine braking available until you let the clutch out, and it takes away more of your concentration which should be used only for braking. now exiting quickly to avoid a car or barney the purple dinosaur, is a different situation altogether. all emergency situations can't be summed by one word.


and your friend's situation, how is that related to this topic... I D I O T? anything irrelevant to the scenario started by author is hypothetical... do you even know what that word means or how to read in a given context?

please think before you type.
09-20-2005 03:19 PM
Unas_the_Slayer
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Originally posted by Z_Fanatic
really my son, really.

unless you care to state your reasons coherently w/o resorting to hypothetical situations again. or are you going to tell me how much downshifting is actually faster than your front brake?
I don't know about you, but my "hypothetical" bike pulls a lot harder the higher the rpm. That is always advantageous when in any type of emergency situation.

Oh.. and by the way dumbass, that was not a hypothetical situation. I nearly saw my friend get rear ended by a Dakota a few weeks ago because of exactly what I described. Although it wasn't because he pussied out of a yellow light.. a car stalled out in front of him.
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