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04-26-2003 08:42 PM
Bikenut
Hmmmmmmm

Where ever there are people there will be assholes. Every country has them, every city has them, durn near every house has one of them at some time or another. I try to take this 'asshole' behavior with a grain of salt since what can I expect to come out of an asshole except crap?

If you are wondering about that 'every house has one of them at some time or another' ......... ask yourself.... have you or a member of your family ever been drunk? I rest my case.
04-29-2002 11:04 AM
Joe4speed I hope that's not true also... not cool.
04-28-2002 01:06 AM
oldgixer
Quote:
Originally posted by Dad


I'll give you 100:1 odds and concede here and now. Should we send 'em to Alberta or just drop 'em off at the border?

Be careful what you bet... I've seen the Red Green Show.

We ship our idiots and morons to Ottawa, thank you.

RED GREEN is a Duct Tape god!!!
04-28-2002 01:04 AM
oldgixer
re nhfirefighter

nhfirefighter13,

Actually the booing pissed me off more than the "offical apology" thing.
About the apology: In the case of a friendly fire incident involving U.S. troops, the Pentagon issues an official appology to the families of U.S. victims. But it won't to the Canadian victim's families. (this policy may have changed in the last week). Right after the incident, President Bush called the Prime Minister, "for about 20 minutes, during lunch". Cretien then told us that there was an apology made. The next day in a speech, President Bush offered condolences briefly.

As for the attitude of Canadians, in an recent poll in Edmonton (where all the victims were stationed) over 80% agreed that the troops should stay there until the job is done, in spite of casualties. This of course shocked the hell outta of typically liberal media.

The people here are rightfully proud of our boys. The only information being released about them in the field is that the sniper units have been "effective" in silencing enemy morter fire (using long barrel rifles and 50 cal. ammunition. boy that's what I call reaching out and touching someone.)
04-27-2002 07:21 AM
Dad
Quote:
Originally posted by oldgixer


Ah, now where getting to the basics. But I'll bet you 2 Calgarians and a Quebecois against one Washinton Bureaucrat and a Texan that your idiots are dumber than ours.
I'll give you 100:1 odds and concede here and now. Should we send 'em to Alberta or just drop 'em off at the border?

Be careful what you bet... I've seen the Red Green Show.
04-27-2002 06:06 AM
nhfirefighter13
the basketball thing...

Ok so I did some checking on the basketball thing. Bear with me as I'm not a basketball fan. From what I've found out, the owner (?) of the Raptors used to be on the Pistons, yes? He supposedly made some imflammatory remarks regarding the fans in Detroit which incited the boo-ing. Now I don't condone the timing of said boo-ing during the anthem but it sounds as if it had absolutely nothing to do with Canada or its people but rather the owner of a basketball team.
So it's a case of sports rivalry and bad blood(?) between a player/owner and his former home team fans. Sounds like a typical bunch of sports fans to me.
04-27-2002 05:14 AM
nhfirefighter13
Excuse me?!

I have no knowledge of the booing at the game in Detroit so I won't comment on it. If it DID happen then I apologize for all of my fellow countymen. What do you expect though? It IS detroit, afterall.

As far as the no apology thing goes. I find it odd that you can say we haven't officially apologized to Canada and the families involved. I saw Georgy on the tele speak of condolences and regret. I saw it quoted in the newspaper. And I saw it from YOUR very own Prime Minister:
STATEMENT BY THE PRIME MINISTER

April 17, 2002
Ottawa, Ontario

Prime Minister Jean Chrétien tonight issued this statement expressing his deep sadness at the news of the Canadian casualties that occurred today in Afghanistan during a training exercise:

"My first thoughts on this sad news are, of course, with the families of our soldiers who have been killed or wounded. Better than any of us, they understand the risks that are an unavoidable aspect of military life. But no amount of awareness or preparation can ever truly cushion such an awful blow.

Mere words are of small solace at times like these. Yet it is my hope that some comfort may be found in the knowledge that those who have been taken were serving their country with valour and gallantry in a great struggle for justice and freedom. And that each and every Canadian is proud of the exemplary manner in which they did their duty.

As to the circumstances of what appears to have been a terrible accident, clearly there are many questions that the families, and all Canadians, expect to be answered. President Bush called me tonight to offer the sincerest condolences of the American people to the Canadian families. He also pledged complete American cooperation with Canadian authorities who will carry out a thorough and complete investigation.

Aline joins me extending our deepest sympathies to those who are grieving at this difficult hour and offer our prayers for the full recovery of the wounded.

Now. Are you looking for George to apologize in person to the families of the Canadians who died? It would be nice if he did. Who knows? Maybe it was done privately. I'm not trying to be an ass here but you CAN NOT judge an entire country be the actions of a few. Some ass was on another forum bashing our ENTIRE military for this same mistake...A MISTAKE made by one pilot. I DARE one person here to truthfully state that he or she has NEVER made a mistake in their entire life. The sad and unfortunate fact of the matter is that this mistake ended up killing people.
Don't forget, however, that there is a WAR going on right now and people die. They die from the enemy, they die from friendly fire and they die from accidents. People seem to have forgotten that. For some reason war has turned into a "ohh we're just sending the boys (and girls) out for target practice...kinda like a big happy camping trip." BAH!!!! Then they act all surprised when somebody gets killed and proceed to demand answers as to WHY such a thing happened.
A whole lot of MY countrymen have died over the past year. I know how you feel. But don't you dare tell me that I have no class or no respect for our allies.
04-27-2002 02:44 AM
oldgixer
Quote:
Originally posted by photobug


Sheee-yit (as we said in Texas), most U.S. citizens forget New Mexico is part of the USA. The average person is an idiot
Ah, now where getting to the basics. But I'll bet you 2 Calgarians and a Quebecois against one Washinton Bureaucrat and a Texan that your idiots are dumber than ours.
04-26-2002 09:54 PM
photobug
Quote:
Originally posted by oldgixer
As far as Canada ( and Mexico ) being part of America, that's something I've found most U.S. citizens forget.
Sheee-yit (as we said in Texas), most U.S. citizens forget New Mexico is part of the USA. The average person is an idiot, no matter if that person is from Kansas, Texas, Canada, Australia etc. For some reason, though, Detroit and Philadelphia sports fans tend to exhibit the worst public behavior, probably because they have an inferiority complex brought upon by living so close to New Yorkers, who constantly remind them that they (NY'ers) are superior. So to prove they're better, Detritus and Philodendrons behave even more boorishly in public. Other countries have similar hooligans.

And our government embarrasses the hell out of us far too often. Any bureaucracy exists mainly to perpetuate itself. Admitting fault, especially in a monumental eff up, is inconceivable. Therefore, any idiotic transparent lie is better than telling the truth. To paraphrase Hunter Thompson, when the going gets stupid the stupid turn pro. That defines your typical bureaucrat. Rule #1: Cover Your Ass.

The USA does not hold a monopoly on boorish public behavior (booing Canada's national anthem is beyond crude) but at least we haven't strung up a referee yet. Denying responsibility for stupid mistakes happens everywhere, and we can hope the persons responsible will get what they deserve.

But I have to admit the USA can be worse than other countries. After all, we're the country that made Richard Nixon one of the world's most influential men, and the world is still paying the price.
04-26-2002 07:39 PM
F4iBaby
More worried about individuals

Well, yes these stories are sad but by blaming a whole country for a few iggnorant / insensitive remarks is just wrong. The sooner people start seeing people as individuals and without country/ ethhnic labels the better off we will all be. Yes as a Canadian i have been embarrased at some of the things we have done and angered at somethings that have been done to us but that never stopped me from believing in the people. Blaming entire countries for there government is just silly . Are we responsible for our own dumb ass government God i hope not Time to take a deep breath and shake our neighbours hand and see the good in him/her
sorry long winded and rambling i know but i hope the point i was trying to make is there
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