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10-26-2001 03:11 AM
desmo079
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Originally posted by RCjohn
Who cares what the pro racers do on the bike. Why should it have anything to do with the comparisons that the mags do? They always rave about how great the R6 is on the track but it can't seem to win consistantly.
I bet if it was the Honda F4i getting all of the praise, you'd be singing a different tune.
10-26-2001 02:39 AM
RCjohn Who cares what the pro racers do on the bike. Why should it have anything to do with the comparisons that the mags do? They always rave about how great the R6 is on the track but it can't seem to win consistantly.

I did look through the Brit mag Superbike and the only bike manufacturer with an advertisement in it was Kawasaki. It was a big 2 pager at the front. They included the ZX-12 in their SBOY contest. Of course they are the ones that can't seem to bring themselves to compare the base Mille and Ducati to the TLR and RC. They always use the bumbed up versions of the Italian bikes.

The earlier point about them riding the bikes for such a short period is an important one. Some bikes take longer to get used to so I don't put alot of stock in comparisons unless it comes in handy here such as when I want to harrass someone about how Kawasaki wasn't even represented in the BOTY contest and a Goldwing won.
10-25-2001 09:07 AM
Hysyde
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Originally posted by photobug
And yes, Sport Rider is a track-oriented magazine, which probably explains why they didn't include any Kawasakis in this year's BOTY comparison. Face it, the ZX9 isn't competitive on the track against the Suzuki and Yamaha liter bikes. It's a better street bike, but get on a track and the GSXR and R1 will smoke it - unless you throw a ringer on the bike.
Exactly. That explains the Kaws absence but doesn't excuse the other notable excemptions.
10-25-2001 09:07 AM
Tahoe
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...then hopped on the Falco and left a nice footpeg groove through Turn 11 at Thunderhill. Stayed on the track somehow, but it took me about 30 seconds to get the seat cover out of my rectum so I could get off the bike after returning to the pits.
A perfect description of an event, in some manner, that we've all experienced. Very well written, indeed.

Photobug also hit on a compelling point, also mentioned earlier. There's often a major difference between what works great on a track, vs. what works great on a streetbike. Among many riders in the Sierra Sportbike group, the general consensus for a daily rider is the ZX9R, over the R1, 929 (no gsxr 1000's yet) Lots of mountain roads here too.

Good gobs of mid-range torque greatly enhance the corner exits and day to day riding, but doesn't equate to laptimes in the same manner at a 2 HP advantage at redline. Most of us don't dance on the redline on our daily commute. It will be interesting to see how the rider reaction plays out on the new XB9R Buell. It's won't be a track queen but I'll betcha it's a huge hit with canyon carvers.

So the GoldWing and GSXR-1000 are this year's Bike Of The Year. As usual, they'll suck next year, when the next latest and greatest comes along. Hope they sell a bunch of 'em.
10-25-2001 08:47 AM
photobug
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Originally posted by elodello
And most of us yeahoos wouldn't be able to detect the minute differences between these bikes anyway.
Actually, we could. I've had the opportunity to ride my CBR600F3, a ZX6R, Aprilia Mille and Falco, and a CBR600F4 on tracks this year. Surprising or not, my impressions are fairly close to the magazines' impressions of those bikes. The big exception is the Aprilia Mille. I cannot figure out what impresses those guys so much. My Triumph Sprint RS is nearly as fast, much smoother, and more stable in fast corners. Cost $6,000 less to boot. The Falco is a great sport touring bike, but needs more cornering clearance for track use. I rode the Mille first, then hopped on the Falco and left a nice footpeg groove through Turn 11 at Thunderhill. Stayed on the track somehow, but it took me about 30 seconds to get the seat cover out of my rectum so I could get off the bike after returning to the pits.

The Kawi ZX6R is a great all-around bike, but the front suspension doesn't give nearly the feedback the CBR600F4 gives (which Sport Rider and the others noticed too). That Kawi motor is a gem though, and the ZX6R would be my first choice for a 600 street bike. The F4 is defintely more planted around Laguna Seca and easier to ride fast, but the Honda's motor is noticeably more buzzy than the ZX6R.

And yes, Sport Rider is a track-oriented magazine, which probably explains why they didn't include any Kawasakis in this year's BOTY comparison. Face it, the ZX9 isn't competitive on the track against the Suzuki and Yamaha liter bikes. It's a better street bike, but get on a track and the GSXR and R1 will smoke it - unless you throw a ringer on the bike.

Wait until next year when Kawasaki's updated models hit the showrooms and you'll see them back in the BOTY articles.
10-23-2001 05:03 AM
Smeghead
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Originally posted by elodello

As far as a cross-platform overall bike of the year, why CAN'T a Goldwing win? If overall change from one year to another, r&d, advertizing and the like are all factors, then I can totally see why a Goldwing would be voted over the "beloved" GSXR1000.
O.K. I put my hands up - I actually quite like the new Gold Wing.

Damn, hope nobody I know reads this !!
10-22-2001 10:53 AM
Tahoe Good point, Mongrel (I always say "Mongrel" to myself with the growling Scottie voice from the Lady & the Tramp cartoon )

Add to the mix the fact that Kawasaki had a bunch of podium finishes this year in WSB with an ancient ZX7RR bike. They never even mention that model in any magazines anymore.

I have very little regard for track worthiness as opposed to road manners. Very often, the superior bike on the track doesn't measure up to the Daily Rider. If you're shopping for a racebike, great, if you want a great roadbike, look elsewhere.
10-22-2001 09:28 AM
elo Generally, I don't like Cycle World as I have little interest in bikes that are not generally race oriented. But I've gotta say that they have been writing some pretty good stuff lately, far better than Sport Rider and Motorcyclist. I prefer the euro mags, but am not going to shell out $15 each month.

While I have no great love for Kawasakis, to exclude them from any comparo type articles is just stupid. Especially in light of little B doing so incredibly well on them this past year. So Kawasaki hasn't put as much research into their bikes in the past 6 months as the other three companies, so what? It doesn't appear to have mattered. And most of us yeahoos wouldn't be able to detect the minute differences between these bikes anyway. "Yup, them thar bike's green. That'n thar's yella, that'n thar's blue."

As far as a cross-platform overall bike of the year, why CAN'T a Goldwing win? If overall change from one year to another, r&d, advertizing and the like are all factors, then I can totally see why a Goldwing would be voted over the "beloved" GSXR1000. There's a lot more to take into consideration than simply a motor and transmission change that adds a few extra horses.
10-22-2001 09:13 AM
Tahoe Caught me

Yes, I like tossing out tidbits of somewhat esoteric vocabulary, but well-read and scholarly fairly well describes the majority of posers here...opps, I mean posters.

I usually simply prefer to obfuscate an issue with lingustic puffery

FWIW, the GSXR 1000 sucks and should never gotten BOTY, they should have chosen something like a '71 Shovelhead ratbike.
10-22-2001 08:49 AM
Cam McFarland
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Originally posted by Tahoe




I much prefer the erudite discussions here at Sportbike World
Hey Tahoe,
Was this a pop quiz.....unusual choice of of words considering
erudite basically means learning from reading (as in bike mags)
does it not......
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