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View Poll Results: Heads - Up 60" & 10.90 Super Street
60" No bar, No NOS, No Turbo... 1 33.33%
10.90 Super Street Index... 1 33.33%
Pro .4 light E/T 1 33.33%
Sportsman .5 light E/T 0 0%
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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 11-19-2002, 05:32 PM Thread Starter
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Thumbs up 60" Class & 10.90 Super Street Class...

What do you think about a 60" naturally aspirates shootout class ?

And how many racers will want to race a heads - up 10.90 Super Street Index ?

If we have enough racers, these classes will work...

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Smile www.NMRAonline.com

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both here & at the NMRA site...

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THIS WOULD BE A GREAT CLASS!

Here is why..........

Anyone with a 600cc, 750cc, 900cc or 1000cc machine can participate in the class with a "Super Stock" style machine. This can include some of the older GS's, KZ's and GPZ's that with mod's run these times anyhow.

To go one step further.........Besides the 10.90 Index also make the timing a Pro Light (.400) so that racers acclaimate themselves to the .400 tree in the event that they continue up the category ranks. This will lessen the shock of competing with the Pro Tree in categories that have HOT competition. GET READY EARLY!

Example:

2001 ZX6R w/ lowered chassis, race exhaust, mild carb work on a good tire can turn 10.90's with relative effort.

"Bring it down & Bring it on"!


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Thumbs up LA County Raceway on New Years Day!

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Palmdale will host the last race of 2002 on New Years Eve...

The Hangover Nationals is January 1, 2003,
this will be the first race of the New Year!

Perhaps we can see if some low 11 second bikes will come out...

then we can talk about a 10.90 Super Street index.

We are also talking about the 60" class at www.NWRAonline.com/forum

Every bike in this class will be ALL MOTOR, Self Starter with Head & Tail light...

Ray said, Registration & Insurance is extra money for the road racer...
However, If you have a registered streetbike, perhaps you can get a weight break ?

Factory Arm, No Air Shifter, Stock Clutch Cover, Street Tire, 600 LB. minimum.

Change the Arm, + 50 LBS. Air Shifter, + 50 LBS. Clutch + 50 LBS. Slick + 50 LBS.

So you could have a 60", Air Shifter, Lock-up, on a Slick, at 800 LBS. minimum...

Then give the Registration waiving street rider a 50 pound break, 550 LBS. min.
Add an air shifter to that & he's right back to the 600 LBS. minimum. WELL ? ? ?
And if your bike is on a street tire, you can hot lap it into the Street E/T class.

Go figure out the combo on your bike, Mickey is already at 700 LBS. minimum,
Arm, Air Shifter, Clutch, & Registration would make that about right, HUH ? ? ?

If I want to run a slick, then I could with 50 pounds added to the 600 LBS. minimum.
However, I will not be allowed to hot lap it right back into the Street E/T class.

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Red..........

This 60" class seems to be just as much money and more restrictive than the Streetbike Shootout class. Secondly, the insurance and registration comment about the "road racer" is also off.

Many road racers that race @ Willow and elsewhere, that are "Privateer" racers, maintain such coverages. If they need to sell the machine(s). The machine(s) are sellable, not only to other road racers but also to interested parties that may also "street" the ride.

The 60" class, in my opinion, besides those "newbie" racers. This clouds the ease of racing. Making the street rider swim too much in thought, which will create the very same problem that already exists. That is.....Need too much money, too many mods to take-away the streetability, etc..

The 60" class is a loser with me and others. Keep the SBS class, start a 10.90 class (non-restrictive), etc.. NMRA wants to keep racers that are true "budget racers"............THIS IS THE ONLY WAY! KILL THE 60" CLASS.


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Kill 60"...

Good point, however some people are still interested in the 60" program...

You are right ! The 10.90 index would be a no brainer, just get out there & race, however are the Super Street racers going to bring their bikes out to the race track & race em ?

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RED...............Simply.

Promote the Super Street Category riders as much as you have for the 60" category.

Let them know that it will be inclusive of like machines without "slicks", "wheelie bars" or ANY other "cheat" that is typically NOT found on the "average" street bike rollin' around on the Highways & Byways.

You see, the Southwest is innundated with "carvers", "track day junkies" and aspiring "club road racers" (in the majority). THE WEST COAST IS BY FAR NOT LIKE ANY PLACE EAST OF THE GREAT DIVIDE -NOR- IS EVERYONE ACCLIMATED TO OUR LOCAL DRAG STRIPS.

Most of our "sportbikers" have had bad experiences with "organized" drag races that accentuate the "big bikes" and too bad if we do not get enough street bikes. A$$ backwards approach to "build" any TRUE & COMPLETE motorcycle program.

ASK ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN TEXAS, OKLAHOMA, INDIANA, ILLINOIS, FLORIDA, GEORGIA, CAROLINA's, VIRGINIA's.........WHAT KIND OF REPRESENTATION DO "THEY" SEE @ THEIR TRACKS? FOR THAT MATTER.............ASK THE BROTHERS TO THE NORTH!

I will let them answer that for themselves. I already know the word!

"Bring it down & Bring it on"!.............THEM ALL THAT IS!


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Cool 10.90 index

I've started a new thread...

It has a few views...

Who's racing ?

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We want to be inclusive with this heads-up class...

We've already determined that we want an ALL MOTOR CLASS...
We also know that we want the weight minimum around 600 LBS.
The stock wheel base would be good, up to 60" (ZZR12) street tire,
and you'll get to hot lap it into Street E/T if you drop the 1st round.
Airshifter, Clutches & Tires have all been questionable...

How about these for rules. ( $60.00 entry fee. )

1) All Motor, naturally aspirated, No Turbo, No Nitrous...

2) Stock frame & arm, head & tail light, with stock looking bodywork.

In order to include everyone we should make weight adjustments...

1) If you ride your registered & insured bike to the track, (-50 LBS.)
You get a weight break, this would include bike & rider, no mods.(550 LBS.)

2) If you feel that you need an air shifter, add 50 LBS. to the minimum,
Your program would have to weigh in at 650 LBS. bike & rider, no other mods.

3) If your clutch can't fit inside the stock clutch cover, add 50 LBS.
Your program would have to weigh in at 650 LBS. bike & rider, no other mods.

4) If your bike is shorter than 60" & you want to stretch it, add 50 LBS.
Your program would have to weigh in at 650 LBS. bike & rider, no other mods.

5) If you have an 18" wheel & the shootout tire won't fit, slick, add 50 LBS.
Your program would have to weigh in at 650 LBS. bike & rider, no other mods.
and you will not get to hot lap it into Street E/T if you drop the 1st round.

6) If you want to try every option above, add the weight accordingly.
Airshifter, Clutch, Stretched with a Slick, comes in at 800 pounds total...

What do you think ?

This should include everyone & make the playing field level...

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With that class (60").............Good way to further disfranchise potential California Sportbike Riders that ride Super Sport machines. BTW, what happened to you PROMOTING the 10.90 class?

Mention to Bill that he will continue to chase away the "typical" California SS racer and/or "potential" SS racer with the abandon of ALL SS machines............600, 750, etc..

Head check..........Everyone strapped in?


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