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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-30-2005, 07:01 PM Thread Starter
 
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New, cheap, low power sportbike? 50cc possibly? help!

Hello everyone,

Im a newcomer to the street bike world, about to get my license. and I need a sportbike. I am very experienced with dirtbikes (and pocket bikes dare I say) but even know Im experienced with thoes, I shouldnt just jump into a 1000cc sport street bike thinking I know what im doing. I think I should start out with a low power sport bike.

I have looked up Derbi GPR 50's (50cc ) , Yamaha YSR and TZR models, and Im just not sure what to get.

Im about 5'9, 5'10. 130 - 150 lbs.

So I need a lighter bike.

I dont think going with a wussy 50cc is practical, because I will want to get on the highway sometimes.

Does anyone have any suggestions?


(and possibly places online that offer very nice prices)
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post #2 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-30-2005, 07:13 PM
 
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50cc is not practical for highway usage. The Ninja 250 doesn't even cruise well at highway speeds. Do a search for first bikes etc because this is a much discussed topic.
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post #3 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-30-2005, 07:15 PM
 
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You basically shouldn't or couldn't get a 50cc (read two-stroke) bike road legal. I think you can get RS-50's legal here in the US, but at something in the $2k-$4k range, you could also get much more with the EX250 and be MUCH more maintanence free and economic.

Look at Kawasaki EX250 and 500, Honda VFR400, Suzuki bandit 400 and gs500, Buell Blast (its a dog though, single cylinder, 35hp, belt drive), Yamaha FZR400 (I ended up with a slightly heavier 600, the 400's are older though still have killer handling).

Run those model names through ebay for pictures/prices/descriptions.

Also http://www.mcreports.com/Pages/Indiv...ki/GS500E.html
the organization of this page is HORRIBLE, but the info is there on about 2/3 of the models. Down at the bottom there is a model listing (by manufacturer alphabetical first). It is a page to pay for actual full articles, but they give a brief and usefull qualitative description and then quantitative facts on power and weight as well on most models.

Or you may just end up with an older 600 like me, haha. I really wanted an EX250 or 500, but the demand and price was too high, and the 600 models were too tempting and cheap for me!

Jon
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post #4 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-30-2005, 07:29 PM Thread Starter
 
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thanks a lot pyrotek2k for taking the time to type that. The Honda VFR400 looks nice. and the ex250 and ex500's look like an older style.....do they make them these days?


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post #5 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-30-2005, 07:42 PM Thread Starter
 
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ok, i just checked into the kawi EX250, and it seems like the bike for me. as Soon as I showed my dad, he said thats the one. i realize people are recommending this bike all over this forum. its a good starter bike from what i see.

thank a lot
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post #6 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-31-2005, 02:28 PM
 
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The EX250 is a great starter. At $3k new, you can get a killer used one for $2k, barely past breakin looking perfect. I passed up one with 400 miles that was two years old for $2200 in May when I was looking. Kind of regret that, but I haven't wrecked yet and am as fast I as want to be on the street with my older 600.


In 95 the EX500's became R's or "Ninja 500's" or something, just made newer plastics with the lowers on every one I think? Not sure. Basically the same sine the late 80's, no mechanical reworks to my knowledge. There are good sites for em, search.

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Even a newb wouldn't be happy on a 50, look for a 250 or 500. Look for used...and pay cash...so that when your tired of it you can turn around and sell it to upgrade. You don't want to be upside down on a new 500 when you get bored of it. Bonus = a used bike won't hurt so much when you lowside on some gravel doing 5-10 mph. good luck and be safe
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post #8 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-31-2005, 04:37 PM Thread Starter
 
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The 250 seems like a nice begginer. But how fast is the 0 -60 on it? Maybe 5 seconds? Maybe 8? any ideas?

I am not a complete newb. I have driven street bikes before, but not much. and I have raced Dirtbikes. But I do know I want to be safe. I am not going to mis-judge my abilities.

Too slow could end up being boring after a month. I mean cmon, gota have some balls to it. cause after a while its gota stay entertaining even for 2000 US or less

and how is the kawi 500 compared to the 250? a lot of difference in power? A little?
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post #9 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-31-2005, 05:36 PM
 
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The 250 hits 0-60 in 5.5 from what I've read, and I believe the 500 is in the high 4's.

I've owned a 250, it's a great bike. Lot of fun. Both bikes are good choices.
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post #10 of 10 (permalink) Old 05-31-2005, 07:37 PM
 
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KAWASAKI NINJA 500 AKA EX500, 1987+
Kawasaki introduced the EX500 as a sub-$3000 sport bike, and wanted to capture the market for beginners and bargain seekers. With its vertical twin engine, simple steel frame, and single front disc brake, it appeared that the EX would be uninspiring in the performance department, but the numbers told a different story. The little 500 made a remarkable 51.76 horses at 9500rpm, rivaling the Honda VF500F and the Yamaha FZ600, both of which had 4 cylinders. The power to weight ratio was better than any middleweight, including Kawasaki's own Ninja 600. The single front disc, thanks to the lack of weight, had the EX stopping quicker than any other middleweight at the time. Kawasaki achieved such amazing results by producing a simple design that didn't require huge efforts to keep the weight down. All the four cylinder bikes had trouble shedding weight. Dropping weight normally means increased production costs. The little EX didn't have such issues. Ergonomically, the EX was quite roomy, even for 6 footers. The wide seat and tall bars, combined with the light weight, made for a comfortable ride. A few shortcuts were made in the suspension department, but the aftermarket had solutions for that. In 1993 the EX500 became the 'Ninja 500'. Changes included bigger wheels and tires, better brakes, stiffer forks and new bodywork. Other than those, the Ninja/EX has remained pretty much unchanged for its entire life-span. Torque is 31ft/[email protected] Wet weight is 432lb's.

For the 250,
Peak Horsepower 28.0 @ 11500 rpm (Motorcycle Online)
28.1 @ 12500 rpm (Cycle World)
Peak Torque 14.0 @ 8500 rpm (Motorcycle Online)
13.2 @ 9000 rpm (Cycle World)
Quarter Mile 14.59 seconds @ 67.8 mph (Cycle World)
Top Speed 105 mph (Motorcycle Online)
112 mph (Cycle World)


there we are.
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