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post #1 of 24 (permalink) Old 10-29-2002, 09:01 PM Thread Starter
 
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Hey guys whats up, i know absolutly nothing about bikes.. but a few things about em REALLY interest me.. For instance.. right now I drive a 99' Civic Si.. I love the 8000 RPM redline.. somebody says to me.. ya know some bikes have a 15,000 RPM redline.. well no shit.. thats crazy.. another thing.... i love sunroofs.. T tops more.. and a convertable even more.. each gives you more and more of a feeling of being "free".. now a bike on the other hand.. thats got to be the best.. at school.. bikes always get teh best parking spots !!! lol.. and oh yea sport bikes just look badazzzzzz!

so here I am.. interested in buying a new bike for the spring.. firgured I'd do some research first.. money really isnt an issue.. well I'd like to spend around 10 grand or under.. i look at it like a car.. 10 grand is a really good price for a 99-03.. i thought.. hey ill just go out and buy an R1.. people say its fast and whatnot.. but then other people say its enormous and not comfortable.. and remember its my first bike..

Any suggestions? comments? also I need clothing.. jacket.. pants.. helmet.. gloves.. everything.. and mods.. where to start.. i love modding my civic.. and soon my wrangler...

also learning.. where do I go for that.. my school offers a little course.. but then where from there?

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post #2 of 24 (permalink) Old 10-30-2002, 01:36 AM
 
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I'll try to be nice, but be prepared for some flaming replies.

Your Civic has what about 160 hp and weighs about 2200 lbs? I'm guessing at both numbers and didn't look them up. An R1 also has about 160 hp (from a 1 liter 4 cylinder) and weighs about 400 lbs. Again, I'm just guessing and didn't look up the numbers. But, do the math on the power to weight ratios. The R1 will do 0 to 60 mph in 3.x seconds (where x is between 0 and 3). Would you buy a Ferrari F60 as your first car?

Take the MSF course first. It will teach you a lot about riding safely and be a good introduction to bikes (safely on a 250 cc bike). After that if you're still interested, a good starter bike is something in the 500 - 650 cc range. Search this forum and you'll find numerous threads on "first bike" with lots of recommendations.

Good idea about getting all the gear. Body contact with the pavement at speed (120 - 140 mph?) should be avoided, if possible. Again, there are lots of recommendations in the gear forum.

Good luck and ride safe.
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thanks alot bro!..

edit: i know ill get flamed.. every newbie gets flames.. like i said im new.. i don't know much.. i came here to learn before i made mistakes......
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thanks alot bro!..

edit: i know ill get flamed.. every newbie gets flames.. like i said im new.. i don't know much.. i came here to learn before i made mistakes......
keep your chin up. when a newbie asks about anything that is super fast and radical (i.e. gsx-r, yzf-r1/6, 954, zx9r, ducati, etc.) to start on, we all worry. a lot of newbies are in it for a season. most of us, it's a life long pursuit. look at smitty's profile sometime. up to ya smitty.

none of us want you to die and none of us want you to have to claim ANYthing on your insurance. sorry, we're very self-protecting.

my suggestion would be to start on a motorcycle that is about 10 years old. riding a motorcycle isn't like driving a car. was your civic your first car? if so, remember trying get used to driving stick? a bike is way harder. you'll probably drop it (though the msf course helps in learning the little things). when looking at a bike, picture it on it's side. would you be crushed? if so, choose a different bike.

also if you don't have geico, chances are, most tip-overs will result in the bike being totalled. which means you'll still have a HUGE payment to make just to clear your loan.

there are plenty of cool bikes to be had for WAY less than 10k. you mentioned you were in school still. how about a cbr600f2. it'll do 0-60 in 3.4 second (according to the old cycle magazine) and the 1/4 in just over 12 with any rider. a good rider should run a low-to-mid-11.

or you could really be smart and put away the need for any flash and get a gpz550, gs500, ex500, gs450, gs550, cb400, or any other standard/semi-sportbike. there's a guy on this board, gs500rider, who owned his 500 for years. it was all he ever needed. he used it to tour with, track days, the whole nine-yards. even after 9-10 years with it, he never needed anything more (until track days finally killed it). and i saw him pass MANY people on big bikes with that little thing.

on a side note, i remember this guy who was like 6'2, 260 and he told me over and over again that he was too big for a little bike. he bought a perfect 84 ninja 900. in its day, that thing was a monster. and honestly, it's still VERY fast. he bought it off the original owner, who was older, never dropped it, never beat it, it was perfect.

he dropped it five times before he was in a head-on accident with an escort. keep in mind, that's 5 times in just over a year. it went from perfect to crap in one season. he painted it over the winter and then was hit head-on. my point is, don't be stupid. just buy a smaller bike.

as for gear, buy the best helmet you can afford. protection and comfort are worth more than graphics. a good jacket is a place to start. for boots, if cash is tight, doc marten's, hiking boots and work boots will all work. steel toes aren't the best idea in the world. ankle support is the key. don't skimp on gloves. your hands are so important and easy to injure in an accident. get studded gloves. and buy a top-brand, like held or kobi. i personally don't like teknic. they should be comfortable and fit fairly snug.

www.newenough.com is a good place to start looking for gear.

good luck. and leave to the r1's to those who have to make up for other shortcomings.

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post #5 of 24 (permalink) Old 10-30-2002, 07:33 AM
 
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Tony has given you a LOT of good info. So read it again & again.
In all honesty I would go for one of the 500 to 550 twins WITHOUT the fairings OR what we all call "the plastics". One is bound to drop the bike at almost nil speeds & the money for the replacement plastics is GHASTLY.
These bikes are always easy to sell to someone else wanting to start up into the m/c field AS you go for your lst sportbike.
We have a chap on this Site that has dropped his lst sportbike 5 times in the past few months & now realizes it was the wrong bike & he should have gone for a 500 twin, but no one pointed this out to him.
The MSF course is a MUST before you even go for a m/c. Remember that a fender-bender with another car (even if they are in wrong) is just that to a fellow cage driver & all depends upon who pays, but to a m/cst VS a cage & the rider is often down & injured to some extent or very seriously while the bike could be a $1,000.00 problem to repair or actually totalled, & with broken bones, toren tendions ----- well it will be a while before one can ride again. REMEMBER this is a two wheeled vehicle with a maze of hp & from the timee you throw your leg over it till you stop it is trying to stay upright from start to finish with surface under it tricky, & so much more.
Back in the 50s the dream of all m/csts was to own a Vincent 1000cc V-twin & that bike weighed almost 600 lbs & had 55hp. Most settled for 500cc singles or twins with 30 to 35hp YET any easy to ride 500cc bike of to-day would leave a Vincent behind in acceleration & max speed.
We are NOT trying to flame you, but with our experience we are simply trying to advise you on the correct steps to riding a m/c. Believe me it can be done for I am just finishing my 56th year of continually riding m/cs & not just a fling at riding for part of a yr or a few yrs till the fad wears off.
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smitty's comment about the guy who bought the big bike. be very leery of any dealer that would sell a new rider an r1. i took my friend looking at cruisers and the salesman was immediately pointing him in the direction of 800+cc cruisers. we left there and he found a shop where the salesmen were in it for the long haul. he wound up deciding to wait it out awhile. but i know if he does buy a bike, he won't go to the first dealer we hit. and why anyone would sell a newbie a 900rr... that's just wrong. i feel bad for that guy. i really do. he has a bike that he is learning nothing on. like smitty said, there's always a market for starter bikes. the problem is that not enough beginners start on them.

everyone tries to compare buying a high-horse sportbike to a supercar. and while the comparison can be made, the difference is you can't high-side a ferrari. you can easily high side an r1. the first time i rode one, i got the rear spun up. wasn't my bike, wasn't even riding it hard. it's just that easy if you're abrupt with the throttle.

hey smitty, some of us who were born after the vincent still wish they could have one. anyone think they could get leno to will me his???

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Tony and Smitty gave some excellent advice. The point is simply that motorcycles only have 2 wheels and no rider protection in a crash. Your gear is it. You have to pay attention to keeping the 2 tires in proper contact with the road at all times. That takes practice and concentration until it all becomes second (first?) nature. To try to learn that with a bike that has enough power to break the rear wheel loose when you don't want it is not the recipe for success. There are LOTS of m/c accidents that involve only the bike. The rider lost it for a variety of reasons and crashed. Take a look around the back of bike dealers in the late spring and early summer and you'll see how many brand new bikes are sitting there totalled (by brand new riders). It's quite depressing.

BTW, if you don't know what a "lowside" or "highside" crash is, look it up somewhere and see what happens and what causes each. Suffice it to say that a highside is the most spectacular way for a rider to leave a bike and can happen in a second under some conditions with rider error/panic.

If you decide that m/c's are for you, take it slowly at first and be around to enjoy it for many years.

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I bought the Suzuki GS500 for my first bike in June. A 2001 model, brand new for $3300. The salesman knew I was new to bikes and didn't try to pressure me into anything faster/more expensive. No fairings to bust up i, no, WHEN you drop the bike. I dropped mine in some grass at about 15mph and had no damage whatsoever. On an R1, that spill would have cost me over a grand in new fairings.

My bike is 487cc's. Right about 40HP. 381lbs dry. Cheap learner bike that is still faster than a stock Civic Si. By the way, my insurance is full coverage for $200 per year. I am 31 years old and the insurance for the R1 would have been several thousand dollars, even with my perfect driving record. If you happen to be under 25 years old, your insurance on the R1 would be just about as much as the bike costs...per year. No exaggeration.

Don't give in to peer pressure. Buy a bike you can LEARN on. Take the MSF first. Learn to outride the learner bike, then move up to something more powerful. You will be a much better rider than if you started out on the bigger bike.

Learning to ride on an R1 is about like learning to drive in John Force's top fuel funny car.
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Agree with you Tony --- on the Vincent.

I had 5 of them with one being a 500 Grey Ghost. Sorry I sold them.
That bike COULD come out in its original form with decent tele forks, improved rear shock, dual discs at the front & single disc at the rear. Still using the air cooled 50 degree angle power-plant with properly filtered Miduni carbs & upped to Black Lightening or better specs, an electric &/or kick starter, broader rear wheel (rather then the 4 X 19 of the past) & be 17" front & rear. Probably a 5-speed cog box.
The so called New Vincent is with photos of a bike along that line which probably comes from a single builder in Austalia, BUT the American owner of the Vincent logo/name has in mind a Honda RC-51 power-plant & it is a junky looking piece of crap at over 25 grand ---- ending of any thoughts of having one due to cost & dramatic changes like the liquid cooled 90 degree engine---only thing that relates to Vincent is the name, the black finish & for some reason, or another he feels the Vincent idea of the oil being carried in the upper part of the frame STILL when has anyone seen a Honda RC-51 or other makes of Honda let alone other makers USING a separate oil tank?? The lube system is dramatically different.
The big thing about the Vincent bikes (Rolls Royce of all m/cs) was that they were so well built & with the most advanced ideas of the time.
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Smile THANKS GUYS!

Thanks a TON guys.. i was expecting flames.. i have yet to see one!

you guys mention fairings sp? what are those? like i said im new to bikes! and is an R6 too fast or too hard to learn on? I hear they are slower than an R1.. I just REALLY like the styling of the R1/R6... or is there another bike.. slower.. but similair in styling?


outside of what bike to buy.. what kind of mods can be done? i know that the exhaust can be done.. but what else?

and no, my civic wasnt my first car.. I used to drive a 95 Saturn SL2 back in the day.. automatic.. that thing saw 3 ditches.. and about 7 trees.. about 7 grand total of putting it back together again and again.. now I'm a super cautious driver.. ive had the civic for about 8 months now.. i have yet to come close to an accident.. im pretty good at dodging others stupidity.. ..

heres a pic if ya care what my civic looks like.. i know youre all into bikes.. but if anyone is interested .. yes the blurryness and yellow tint was on purpose.. im kinda getting into photography.. the exposure was jacked.. and it was nite.. under a yellow light..
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