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post #1 of 30 (permalink) Old 07-30-2004, 05:23 AM Thread Starter
 
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George Bush could win!!!

As long as he calls in sick for any debates. This President is through dealing against John John. Just listening to them give their speeches makes you realize how long its been since we had a President that knows how to present himself in front of people.
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I can certainly agree that Bush is not a strong public speaker. I don't however think that it means Kerry is a better choice.

Public speaking does not equal an ability to lead, IMO.


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I can certainly agree that Bush is not a strong public speaker. I don't however think that it means Kerry is a better choice.

Public speaking does not equal an ability to lead, IMO.

Totally agree with you. President Bush doesn't exactly present himself as an intelligent person, and having(I know I'm going to get hammered for this one) that "person from Texas" attitude doesn't help either. However, out of the two candidates, I think President Bush ought to get re-elected.

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If we're basing the ability to lead on public speaking prowess, we're in dire straits no matter which way we cast our votes. I wouldn't classify either candidate as being strong public speakers.

The more I look into them, the fewer differences I really see. I don't know that it will matter one way or the other who people vote for this year. The one thing I will say is that I think Bush has taken firm stances on issues while Kerry continues to plant both feet firmly on either side of the fence. Whether or not I agree with his policies, I at least respect Bush for taking a stance and sticking to it. I'm still pretty much undecided though. Too much can happen between now and then to make a firm decision yet.

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As a long time observer of politics and policy, I see major differences and will support Kerry, hands down, no contest. Nice speech, no surprise.

For those who are shocked, take several deep breaths, get up slowly, and be careful not to bump your head.

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Knowing how to speak and present your case as a leader is very important. Other countries would of been willing to help us in Iraq if George Bush did not come across as a Trailer Park attendant. His rhetoric infuriates people, is un willingness to meet at a common ground the way he talks down to the camera the long pauses as he tries to remember if he turned of the stove. He is weak the world is complicated so are the issues that Kerry changes his mind about I change my mind at work everyday especcially when new evidence or people that work for me need a change. Bush's argument about Kerry changing his mind is as weak as the people that will vote for him. Thank god most of them don't vote.
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Do you want to hear what was actually said or what the actual policy directions are? Here's Kerry's site. Check it all out but especially the "Rapid Response" section for some insight on the items he is accused of flip-flopping on, like voting for the war. When you hear what was said, what the reasoning behind it is, then hear the accusations from GW and company, you'll have a hard time recognizing them as the same subject. That is a place to look as Bush's team comes out with their venomous distortions, sure to come, in large doses, as much as millions upon millions of dollars can buy.


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Knowing how to speak and present your case as a leader is very important. Other countries would of been willing to help us in Iraq if George Bush did not come across as a Trailer Park attendant. His rhetoric infuriates people, is un willingness to meet at a common ground the way he talks down to the camera the long pauses as he tries to remember if he turned of the stove. He is weak the world is complicated so are the issues that Kerry changes his mind about I change my mind at work everyday especcially when new evidence or people that work for me need a change. Bush's argument about Kerry changing his mind is as weak as the people that will vote for him. Thank god most of them don't vote.
While I agree with your first statement, I would still contend that neither candidate is strong in the public speaking arena. Sales of Ambien have probably fallen off as all one needs now is a good Kerry speach.

Your second statement is pure speculation, based on absolutely no facts. It is your opinion, and is taken as such. I hope others recognize this as well.

The rest of what you said is the typical attitude I see of Kerry supporters. It is exactly this type of attitude that makes me not want to vote for him, as I would be associating myself with those people. This is a disservice to Kerry though, just as would be deciding not to vote for Bush based on the religious zealots that support him. Hopefully I will be able to evaluate each candidate based on their own merits, or lack thereof, and not the views of other voters. I would hope others do the same and not be simple sheep.

Kerry's indecisiveness may seem to some to be the product of a well thought out man addressing complicated issues. Others see it as simply blowing with the political wind. Which is right and which is wrong nobody can say save for themselves. I think Kerry looks wishy-washy, and strikes me as the kind of person who just says what people want to hear, sort of. In saying what people want to hear, he really never commits himself to one side or another of any issue. He certainly is a true politician, through and through. Bush also seems to say whatever people want to hear, and he apparently isn't too good at reading the cue cards. He doesn't however use this noncommital brush to paint every topic.

Personally I will probably wait to make my decision until shortly before the election. Weak, IMO, is making up one's mind absolutely before all the facts are presented.

I'm really not interested in debating Bush vs. Kerry anymore. At least not on this site. It's been done to death and there are only so many times you can hear "he's an idiot and he's got to go" as one of the primary arguments.

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I have to agree with Spicer(man) on this one. Kerry is doing the same crap Clinton did. Tell EVERYONE EXACTLY what they WANT to hear.... Will he deliver?? I HONESTLY don't believe it....and as far as his strange ass wife.......she's a TOTAL fruit cake...Like Clinton speech about adding 1 million police officers, yada yada yada...
ALL CRAP!!!



And Falcon eight, aren't you breaking some kind of rule, by dissing YOUR commander in chief while on active duty????
You should lay off on that stuff, cause it ONLY makes you look like a big crybaby...( not a personal attack, just an observation)

BTW...what kind of CIC do you think Kerry would make?
I don't even want to THINK about THAT one....



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I have to agree with Spicer(man) on this one. Kerry is doing the same crap Clinton did. Tell EVERYONE EXACTLY what they WANT to hear.... Will he deliver?? I HONESTLY don't believe it....and as far as his strange ass wife.......she's a TOTAL fruit cake...Like Clinton speech about adding 1 million police officers, yada yada yada...
ALL CRAP!!!



And Falcon eight, aren't you breaking some kind of rule, by dissing YOUR commander in chief while on active duty????
You should lay off on that stuff, cause it ONLY makes you look like a big crybaby...( not a personal attack, just an observation)

BTW...what kind of CIC do you think Kerry would make?
I don't even want to THINK about THAT one....



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And just what policy of his causes you these concerns?

And since when is a US citizen not allowed to have an opinion and in fact, climbs all of the way to cry baby status when he does? The right wing only wishes it was like that but hasn't succeeded with that one. Holding prisoners in Guantanamo Bay for years without opportunity to be charged or legally advised ain't a bad start though.

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