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post #1 of 87 (permalink) Old 06-26-2002, 01:49 PM Thread Starter
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Seriously off topic! The Pledge of Allegiance

So I'm watching CNN today and they announce that an appeals court has found the "Pledge of Allegiance" to be unconstitutional! I'm thinking to myself "WTF!" (I must say I do understand someoneís right not to have to say "god" during the pledge, although I personally believe there is one. I mean I've asked him/her for enough favors!) But, I mean what's next? School is going to be found unconstitutional? Or motor transportation? What about breathing? Or better yet the Flag itís self? It's scary to me to think that some people that take full advantage of all the things this country has to offer, decide to spend their time fighting to get rid of one of the "few" things that still honor it. I mean what's the problem with showing a little respect or honoring the things that protect us every day? I know allot of us complain about things like taxes, or the cops, or the government. But honestly would any of us really want to live in another country? If so plane tickets aren't that expensive, and enjoy your life. It's too short not to! Sorry for the ranting, but I just needed to get that one out.

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This whole countries crazy. Did you hear about the woman that laid down on train tracks/got hit/sued/and won??

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If you are reading this then this warning is for you. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. Don't you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all who claim it? Do you read everything you're supposed to read? Do you think everything you're supposed to think? Buy what you're told you should want? Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex. Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Quit your job. Start a fight. Prove you're alive. If you don't claim your humanity you will become a statistic. You have been warned...... Tyler
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A co-worker told me about it and I went to and read the post and had pretty much the same reaction as Provis72.

In many countries even voicing an opinion like this might get you a visit from the Dream Police. Then you would be just another Amnesty International statistic.

I am an agnostic and I have no problem reciting The Pledge of Allegiance. I think it should be required of all school children. This is the United States, home of many freedoms including the freedom to use common sense. Seems to me more and more people lack it every day. People need to realize life will never be perfect and there will always be things that will "offend" you. The sooner a lot of people in this country realize this and get on with their lives the better off we will all be.

Interesting that this decision came out of a court on the left-coast (San Francisco). I wonder if the same decision would have been handed down in Texas or North Carolina. Also, how much of my tax money is being wasted arguing a case that will most likely end up in front of the Supreme Court?
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Things like that make me sick. I am currently active duty in the Marine Corps. Most things that bother me, I can't do anything about. Once all the "higher ups" make a decision, no matter how stupid, it's "aye-aye sir" I'm probably going to go off on a tangent here but bear with me. It also pisses me off when I hear people talking that the military gets paid too much. I can say I make a decent living, but my room in the barracks isn't all that big, granted I don't pay rent. Of course I'm told when to clean it and any "higher up" can come in anytime he or she wants to inspect it. Also, with my HazMat training through the military, I could be making upwards of $80,000, yet I settle for a base pay of $1,760 a month. And also, I can be called to go anywhere in the world to fight for our country at a moments notice. Leave my family and friends behind and in some cases, I have to lie to them so they don't know exactly where I'm going. Anyway, just thought I'd give my 2 cents.
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I too am in in the military, and I think many people realize that we don't get paid enough. R1-Racer's comments reminded me of something that happened to me once. I was stationed at Andrews AFB and I was driving onto Ft Myers, and the car going onto the base in front of me had a bumper sticker that said "CUT MILITARY SPENDING!!!" This is another time I was thinking to myself "WTF!!!!" It to this day puzzels me as to what this person was thinking! I pointed it out to the guard at the gate, and he too was looking like "WTF!!" But it just goes to show that people sometimes beleave in the craziest things. I sometimes wonder after Sept 11 if that person still has that bumper sticker. But on that note being in the military, I'll fight for the right of these confused individuals to be as confused as they want to.

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Well said Provis. I don't know how long you've been in or if you plan to stsy in, but I'll be done with the military in 45 days and then I'm getting out and going to MMI in Sept. I guess I'm just sick of all the B.S. I have to put up with. I came in right after highschool and never got to experience "real" civilian life. I just wanna do whatever I want, whenever I want. One thing I really wanna do is grow a goate. (spelling?) I'm sick of shaving every frickin' morning...Peace.
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This is not for decent people that live in California. So donít yell at me after reading this. (Iíll just stick my out at you anyway)

The best thing that can happen to the state of California is the next (BIG ONE). I hope when it comes, that scab on this countryís ass falls into the Pacific and takes all of Hollywood, and its ďIím better than the rest of youĒ actors, all of the San Franciscan America hating, gay rights loving judges, and all the rest of the porn, crime, and relative shit with it. Porto Rico (sp) can take its place on the flag.

P.S. If anybody from California, one this site agrees with that decision today, I have some advise for you. When the shaking starts, DONíT run!!! Hang on tight!!!

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I too was in the military and I know that experience really gave me a greater appreciation for my country, those who serve, and those who lost their life in the service of this country. It really is a sad day when more and more of what our country stands for and represents is being pushed aside as unconstitutional or worse, these symbols and freedoms being perversely abused to be the driving force to push aside what this great nation was FOUNDED upon. I saw the poll over at CNN about whether or not people thought the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional, and 77% (of almost 110,000 people) did not think so. All I have to say to the federal appeals court that ruled on this case is . That's my unbiased opinion! Just remember, you've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.

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Do they even say the Pledge in schools anymore? I remember saying it everyday in school. I won't be learning/reciting a *edited* pledge. My children wont' be learning an updated version either ( when I have them ).
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What does God have to do with the founding of our country?

Why should anyone be required to cite the pledge?

If Congress added "...under God,..." in 1954, then that's a mix of church and state, and unconstitutional.

Calm down people, the sky is not falling.

It doesn't have to be fun to be "fun".
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