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Another try at the helmet law

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...806040456/1361


maybe they will have enough votes to get past Jenny's veto pen


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So basically your safety only matters in a car, where seat belts are mandatory? At least your state will get some revenue from the $100 plates.

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Here we go.... (smirk)

Everyone knows my feelings on self protection and I don't like the government stepping in and mandating I do something to protect myself. But I understand the helmet law. Do I think it's right? Nope. I feel if a rider decides not to wear one and winds up dead, or terribly injured, well, that's just to bad. I'd like to see the state mandate this person carries enough insurance to cover if something bad happens.

The only reason I'm a fan of the helmet law is to protect the driver of a car.

Here me out.

If I'm riding, and wearing my helmet, and a car (doesn't see me) and pulls out in front of me, I hit them, and get slightly injured, it's just an accident. (I know people will sue the insurance company of the driver (if they have any insurance) for injuries).

If the same thing happens and I'm not wearing a helmet, and split my head on the pavement, then I'm dead. This brings some other things to the table, like unintentional manslaughter for example. (don't know if I have that correct)

The problem with this is, it was just an accident (baring someone purposely pulling out in front of me). And this person (because of the lawyers) may end up doing time for something that would have been my fault for not wearing.

Now, I don't like the idea of the state mandating the helmet law. But the trial lawyers will have a hay day.

I'd like to see the ban on driving while on a non hands free cell phone, or on the phone all together, first!

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Here we go.... (smirk)

Everyone knows my feelings on self protection and I don't like the government stepping in and mandating I do something to protect myself. But I understand the helmet law. Do I think it's right? Nope. I feel if a rider decides not to wear one and winds up dead, or terribly injured, well, that's just to bad. I'd like to see the state mandate this person carries enough insurance to cover if something bad happens.

The only reason I'm a fan of the helmet law is to protect the driver of a car.

Here me out.

If I'm riding, and wearing my helmet, and a car (doesn't see me) and pulls out in front of me, I hit them, and get slightly injured, it's just an accident. (I know people will sue the insurance company of the driver (if they have any insurance) for injuries).

If the same thing happens and I'm not wearing a helmet, and split my head on the pavement, then I'm dead. This brings some other things to the table, like unintentional manslaughter for example. (don't know if I have that correct)

The problem with this is, it was just an accident (baring someone purposely pulling out in front of me). And this person (because of the lawyers) may end up doing time for something that would have been my fault for not wearing.

Now, I don't like the idea of the state mandating the helmet law. But the trial lawyers will have a hay day.

I'd like to see the ban on driving while on a non hands free cell phone, or on the phone all together, first!
this shouldn't really be anl issue here since we are a no-fault state


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this shouldn't really be anl issue here since we are a no-fault state
One would think.

But one argument is how the state has to pay for the hospitialization of people past their insurance runs out. (if they even had any to begin with)

Isn't that what that dumb MCCA was supposed to cover?

I know, I'm all over the place with this.

I would like to see them drop the helmet law (for adults), along with the seatbelt law (for adults). Both of those laws save people from the darwin awards.

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If I'm riding, and wearing my helmet, and a car (doesn't see me) and pulls out in front of me, I hit them, and get slightly injured, it's just an accident. (I know people will sue the insurance company of the driver (if they have any insurance) for injuries).

If the same thing happens and I'm not wearing a helmet, and split my head on the pavement, then I'm dead. This brings some other things to the table, like unintentional manslaughter for example. (don't know if I have that correct)

The problem with this is, it was just an accident (baring someone purposely pulling out in front of me). And this person (because of the lawyers) may end up doing time for something that would have been my fault for not wearing.
Ok pedestrian walking down the street gets hit by car pulling out and legs are broken, it may be an accident but the driver is on the hook for hitting them. Different scenario, pedestrian is driving their car and gets hit by car pulling out. Both are accidents but just because the pedestrian chose to walk doesn't mean the car driver is or can be off the hook just because the pedestrian didn't choose to use the more protective car.

Basically it's not the job of someone to protect the driver/other driver so if the driver screws up and hits someone it doesn't matter if the person they hit was maximizing their protection or not. It's only required that the victim wasn't being negligent and trying to get hit. Yea as a driver it sucks to have to look out for others but that's your responsibility when you get in a 1-ton or greater metal rolling cage.
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...I'd like to see the ban on driving while on a non hands free cell phone...
That's already illegal in Australia and we also already have helmet laws. Both are, IMO, spot on.

The latest target is smokers. In my state (not sure about others), it's now illegal to smoke in your car with kids, even with the windows down.




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