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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 05-16-2004, 03:36 PM
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its funny how when someone is in the lead an they get passed at the end of the race an lose first place that they always blame the lap riders. like jake zimki ( probably misspelled it ) was crying like a baby when the last lap comes up and he gets past and loses first place. twice over a weekend at barbour motorsport park. what a baby. he should of pushed it more during the last lap. instead of thinking that he had the win.
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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 05-17-2004, 09:01 AM
 
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Its sad Zemke has the greatest attitude when it comes down to it. But the lapped riders are really always in the way. If you watch WSB or Motogp a lapped riderslows and moves to the side in AMA they keep racing and clogging the racing line.
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post #3 of 9 (permalink) Old 05-17-2004, 08:34 PM
 
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Jake Zemke does indeed have a very good attitude.

I was at Barber and in turn two you could see lappers kept holding him up. You can't go around lappers in turn two. I saw 5 crashes(including Yates and Bostrom) because there was only one line with grip in turn 2. Turn 2 is very long by the way.

Its not "crying like a baby" if you have a legitimate point. Besides he only mentioned it one race. The other two races he just congratulated the other riders. He a class act.
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post #4 of 9 (permalink) Old 05-18-2004, 10:36 AM
 
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He has every right to "cry" about it. Those guys are getting the blue flag and STILL not moving over...........sooner or later they will get bumped off the track or asked to leave the field. You've got to move out of the way when the leaders are coming thru........that's just the rules........can't obey them, then get off!
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post #5 of 9 (permalink) Old 06-09-2004, 09:14 PM
 
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I can understand why he would say it. I mean 6 second place finishes so far. But he is an AWESOME talent and doing much better than B Bostrom on the CBR1000RR. Met him last year as Laguna Seca and was real nice. Cool too.
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post #6 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-05-2004, 07:06 AM
 
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You can't compare AMA and WSB/GP from a lapper standpoint.

First of all it is the first year the AMA has used blue flags and they don't use them the same way. It isn't as effective here as in world racing.

If you notice in world racing there is a much longer time before they get into lappers... ie, usually the later laps. The tracks there are bigger and wider for the most part. Some exceptions of course. If you watch closely in world racing they lapped riders seldom adjust their riding when in a corner... they move over if on the straights. On US tracks that is just not usually an option. The bikes are on straights so much less time.

Another issue is that the last half of the grids in world racing(WSB and MotoGP) are as good as the first half of the AMA grids. The AMA back markers aren't quite as talented as the world level backmarkers so that is also going to add to the excitement.

Regardless it is still bullshit whining. They know the lapped riders are going to be an issue. They don't bitch and moan when the lapped riders aid their results. If a lapper gives Zemke an advantage by holding up Mladin, Jake doesn't tell the media, "Well I'm dissapointed that Mat and I weren't able to battle it out head to head since he was held up by a lapper."

Jake does however have a good attitude and is not normally a whiner. He's just had some frustrations at times.

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post #7 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-05-2004, 10:54 AM
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Hi John! Long time no speak.

The backmarker discussion is as old as wheel to wheel racing. Some days it helps, some days it hurts. When a problem becomes blatant, it usually gets handled by the officials but if not, well... it still usually gets handled.

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Hi John! Long time no speak.

The backmarker discussion is as old as wheel to wheel racing. Some days it helps, some days it hurts. When a problem becomes blatant, it usually gets handled by the officials but if not, well... it still usually gets handled.
Hey Dad. Good to see you again. Hope all is well with you.
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post #9 of 9 (permalink) Old 02-25-2005, 05:56 PM
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It's also not the riders as it's also the bikes. Those factory bikes have 10-15 mph over a privateer bike on the banks of Daytona. I'm sure the smaller tracks have top speed differentials also. Think about it, Ben Bostrum pulls 168 mph on the straight while the slower privateer bike only pulls 158 on the front straight at Road America. Ben will reach the slower riders in front of him before they can hear him and it's usually somewhere in the first turn. A leader will have more speed coming into the corner and higher corner speed then even more exit speed. They also have better tires. Even if a slower rider can move out of the way you don't want him to change his line. You just need to learn to get around them. If they did move out of the way they might move right into a second leader if they come into a corner two wide. It is only safe to move on the straight when you can look back to make sure you don't change your line into someone elses line. Sometimes I think those factory guys don't realise or remember how fast they come up on truly slower bikes.

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